Refuted: The Christadelphian view of Resurrection, Judgement and Hell
Introduction: Understanding the Christadelphian doctrine |
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Objections to conscious life after death refuted! |
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I. Introduction: contrary to the Christadelphian doctrine, the Bible teaches:
Top 6 verses that outright refute the Christadelphian doctrine:
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John 5:28 outright states all in the tombs will be raised at the same moment#2
2 Thess 1:5-8 Outright states that those who do not know the gospel will suffer at the second coming.#3
Acts 17:30-31 God does not exempt the ignorant from the final resurrection and judgement.#4
Romans 2:9-16 Outright says that those without law will be judged at the last day by Christ#5
Jeremiah 25:17-18, 26-28 The people of Jerusalem would "fall and rise and no more". (Same language Christadelphians use to in other verses to prove no resurrection)#6
Prov 2:18-19; 7:14, 25-27 For those Christadelphians who say that only Jews who have offered an animal sacrifice will be raised from the dead, consider the Jewish adulteress: "I was due to offer peace offerings; Today I have paid my vows. ... Her house is the way to Sheol, Descending to the chambers of death. ... None who go to her return again, Nor do they reach the paths of life."
The Christadelphian view of resurrection and hell
Christadelphian selective view of resurrection |
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All Christadelphians say |
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Amended Christadelphians say |
Unamended Christadelphians say |
The, " Am I a good Christadelphian?" test, for Christadelphians."Test yourself to see if you are in the faith!" 2 Cor 13:4 |
Identify which of the following categories of people will be raised from the dead based upon the two different sects of Christadelphians: amended and unamended.
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African Pigmies who never heard about baptism |
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babies |
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Muslims who never heard about baptism |
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Teenagers who listen to rap music who never heard about baptism |
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Every wicked man who lived will be judged: 2 Thess 1:5-8
A. The one text refutation:
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CN Tower verse on universal Resurrection and eternal torment: 2 Th 1:5-8(tallest free standing building in the world: Toronto, Canada) If some evil men are never raised then God is not just: 2 Th 1:5-8 "This is a plain indication of God's righteous judgment so that you may be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which indeed you are suffering. 6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, 8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 And these will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day, and to be marveled at among all who have believed" |
From 2 Thess 1:5-8 we prove:
B. Bible passages:
C. Wicked men and spirit beings are awaiting judgement now
D. All men, good and evil will be judged:
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Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs shall hear His voice, 29 and shall come forth; "those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, |
those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment. John 5:28 |
"having a hope in God, which these men cherish themselves, that there shall certainly be a resurrection of both the righteous |
and the wicked." Acts 24:15 |
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good |
or bad. 2 Corinthians 5:10 |
For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ 1 Thessalonians 5:9 |
God has destined the wicked for wrath 1 Thessalonians 5:9 |
"And I say to you, that every careless word that men shall speak, they shall render account for it in the day of judgment. 37 "For by your words you shall be justified, |
and by your words you shall be condemned." Matthew 12:36 |
7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, |
6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 And these will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day, and to be marveled at among all who have believed" 2 Thess 1:5-8 |
God, 6 who will render to every man according to his deeds: to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life; |
8 but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation. Romans 2:5ff |
10 glory and honor and peace to every man who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. |
9 There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek, 11 For there is no partiality with God. Romans 2:5ff |
as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; and He will put the sheep on His right, "Then the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. |
and the goats on the left. "Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels Mt 25 |
Whatever you do, do your work heartily, as for the Lord rather than for men; 24 knowing that from the Lord you will receive the reward of the inheritance. It is the Lord Christ whom you serve. |
25 For he who does wrong will receive the consequences of the wrong which he has done, and that without partiality. Colossians 3:23 |
Instruct them to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous and ready to share, 19 storing up for themselves the treasure of a good foundation for the future 1 Timothy 6:18 |
5 But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God Rom 2:5 |
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Bonus thought for Christadelphians: Ecclesiastes 4:2-3"So I congratulated the dead who are already dead more than the living who are still living. 3 But better off than both of them is the one who has never existed, who has never seen the evil activity that is done under the sun." Ecclesiastes 4:2 |
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13 Christadelphian proof texts refuted Jeremiah 51:37, 39-40,57 The Wicked will sleep a perpetual sleep and not wake up |
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Romans 2:9-16 Before we start. Romans 2:9-16 is the "CN Tower" (tallest free standing building in the world: Toronto, Canada) of Bible verses to prove that the ignorant Gentiles and unbelievers WILL BE RAISED from the dead and be judged: Romans 2:9-16 There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek, 10 but glory and honor and peace to every man who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 11 For there is no partiality with God. 12 For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law; and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; 13 for not the hearers of the Law are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified. 14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness, and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus. |
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Christadelphian Proof Text #1 Refuted: Jeremiah 51:37, 39-40,57 "And Babylon will become a heap of ruins, a haunt of jackals, An object of horror and hissing, without inhabitants. ... 39 "When they become heated up, I shall serve them their banquet And make them drunk, that they may become jubilant And may sleep a perpetual sleep And not wake up," declares the Lord. 40 "I shall bring them down like lambs to the slaughter, Like rams together with male goats. .. 57 "And I shall make her princes and her wise men drunk, Her governors, her prefects, and her mighty men, That they may sleep a perpetual sleep and not wake up," Jeremiah 51:37, 39-40,57 |
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Christadelphian Proof Text #2 Refuted: Ps 49:10-20 |
Psalm 49 is addressed to the whole world (v2) Jew and Gentile alike in a contrast between "Both low and high, Rich and poor together." The Bible often portrays the rich as evil and the poor as righteous (Luke 16:21f; James 5:1f) and Ps 49 like is an example of such.
Ps 49:10-20 " For he sees that even wise men die; The stupid and the senseless alike perish, And leave their wealth to others. 11 Their inner thought is, that their houses are forever, And their dwelling places to all generations; They have called their lands after their own names. 12 But man in his pomp will not endure; He is like the beasts that perish. 13 This is the way of those who are foolish, And of those after them who approve their words. [Selah]. 14 As sheep they are appointed for Sheol; Death shall be their shepherd; And the upright shall rule over them in the morning; And their form shall be for Sheol to consume, So that they have no habitation. 15 But God will redeem my soul from the power of Sheol; For He will receive me. [Selah]. 16 Do not be afraid when a man becomes rich, When the glory of his house is increased; 17 For when he dies he will carry nothing away; His glory will not descend after him. 18 Though while he lives he congratulates himself— And though men praise you when you do well for yourself— 19 He shall go to the generation of his fathers; They shall never see the light. 20 Man in his pomp, yet without understanding, Is like the beasts that perish. |
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Christadelphians use Ps 49 as a proof text that some of the wicked will never be raised or judged. In order to do this they must maintain that the wicked of Ps 49 are gentiles who will not be raised and the righteous are Jews who will be raised to eternal glory. Any sensible Christadelphian would stop here and never again try to use Ps 49 to prove their selective resurrection doctrine. But for those unwilling to do such we address the following comments:
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Christadelphian Proof Text #3 Refuted: Isaiah 26:13-14; 19"LORD, thou wilt ordain peace for us: for thou also hast wrought all our works in us. 13O LORD our God, other lords beside thee have had dominion over us: but by thee only will we make mention of thy name. 14They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, THEY SHALL NOT RISE: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and Thou hast wiped out all remembrance of them. ... 19 Your dead will live; Their corpses will rise. You who lie in the dust, awake and shout for joy, For your dew is as the dew of the dawn, And the earth will give birth to the departed spirits." Isaiah 26:13-14; 19 |
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"They are now dead, they live no more; those departed spirits do not rise." Isaiah 26:14 |
"Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise" Isaiah 26:19 |
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The rest of the [spiritually] dead did not come to [spiritual] life [united with God momentarily for judgement] until the thousand years were completed [at the last day]. Rev 20:5 |
"Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first [spiritual] resurrection [at baptism]; over these the second death [hell] has no power, Rev 20:6 |
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7. Other interpretations of Isa 26:13-14 + 19 :
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Christadelphian Proof Text #4 Refuted: Proverbs 21:16 Prov. 21:16 "A man who wanders from the way of understanding will rest in the assembly of the dead." |
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Christadelphian Proof Text #5 Refuted: Job 10:18-22 'Why then hast Thou brought me out of the womb? Would that I had died and no eye had seen me! 19 ' I should have been as though I had not been, Carried from womb to tomb.' 20 "Would He not let my few days alone? Withdraw from me that I may have a little cheer 21 Before I go—and I shall not return— To the land of darkness and deep shadow; 22 The land of utter gloom as darkness itself, Of deep shadow without order, And which shines as the darkness." Job 10:18-22 |
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Christadelphian Proof Text #6 Refuted: Job 3:11-19 Job 3:11-19 "Why did I not die at birth, Come forth from the womb and expire? 12 "Why did the knees receive me, And why the breasts, that I should suck? 13 "For now I would have lain down and been quiet; I would have slept then, I would have been at rest, 14 With kings and with counselors of the earth, Who rebuilt ruins for themselves; 15 Or with princes who had gold, Who were filling their houses with silver. 16 "Or like a miscarriage which is discarded, I would not be, As infants that never saw light. 17 "There the wicked cease from raging, And there the weary are at rest. 18 "The prisoners are at ease together; They do not hear the voice of the taskmaster. 19 "The small and the great are there, And the slave is free from his master." |
Christadelphians use Job 3:11-19 as a proof text that babies will not be raised from the dead. However the concluding remarks in v17-19 prove this idea wrong. Notice babies, the wicked and those they oppress are in the same place! Christadelphians must say that all these are "ignorant gentile unbelievers" but this must again be "read into the text" because it isn't there. If this text proves babies are not subject to resurrection, then so too those whom the wicked oppress! The text says nothing at all about being raised from the dead. Christadelphians have again read this into the passage and again shoot themselves in the foot. All the following classes of people are in the same place and subject to resurrection:
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Christadelphian Proof Text #7 Refuted: John 3:19 "And this is the judgment, that the light is come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light; for their deeds were evil. John 3:19 |
Christadelphians say,
"It requires the light of knowledge to make men responsible; for so it is written: "This is the (ground of) condemnation, that light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light" (John 3:19)."
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Christadelphian Proof Text #8 Refuted: John 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth. (John 9:41). |
Christadelphians actually say:
"When men are blind, or ignorant of the word, they have no sin to be punished for: but at the same time, they are not forgiven and justified men, and unless they become so by learning and repenting, they cannot be saved for eternal life (John 9:41).
they which physically see might made physically blind |
All agree, this is not likely what Jesus had in mind |
they which spiritually see might made physically blind |
Notice the Pharisees already had spiritual sight and therefore, according to Christadelphian theology are subject to resurrection. |
"they which physically see might made spiritually blind" |
Notice the Pharisees already had spiritual sight before Jesus spoke to them after which they became spiritually blind. Therefore, according to Christadelphian theology are subject to resurrection before Jesus spoke to them. |
"they which spiritually see might made spiritually blind" |
Same as above, the Pharisees had spiritual sight before Jesus spoke to them and were subject to resurrection. |
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Christadelphian Proof Text #9 Refuted: John 15:22-24 "If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin. 23 "He who hates Me hates My Father also. 24 "If I had not done among them the works which no one else did, they would not have sin; but now they have both seen and hated Me and My Father as well." John 15:22-24 |
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Christadelphian Proof Text #10 Refuted: John 11:24-26 "Martha *said to Him, "I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day." 25 Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me shall live even if he dies, 26 and everyone who lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?" |
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Christadelphian Proof Text #11 Refuted: Rom 4:15 & 5:13 |
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Christadelphian Proof Text #12 Refuted: Ps 88 Ps 88:1-18 " O Lord, the God of my salvation, I have cried out by day and in the night before Thee. 2 Let my prayer come before Thee; Incline Thine ear to my cry! 3 For my soul has had enough troubles, And my life has drawn near to Sheol. 4 I am reckoned among those who go down to the pit; I have become like a man without strength, 5 Forsaken among the dead, Like the slain who lie in the grave, Whom Thou dost remember no more, And they are cut off from Thy hand. 6 Thou hast put me in the lowest pit, In dark places, in the depths. 7 Thy wrath has rested upon me, And Thou hast afflicted me with all Thy waves. [Selah]. 8 Thou hast removed my acquaintances far from me; Thou hast made me an object of loathing to them; I am shut up and cannot go out. 9 My eye has wasted away because of affliction; I have called upon Thee every day, O Lord; I have spread out my hands to Thee. 10 Wilt Thou perform wonders for the dead? Will the departed spirits rise and praise Thee? [Selah]. 11 Will Thy lovingkindness be declared in the grave, Thy faithfulness in Abaddon? 12 Will Thy wonders be made known in the darkness? And Thy righteousness in the land of forgetfulness? 13 But I, O Lord, have cried out to Thee for help, And in the morning my prayer comes before Thee. 14 O Lord, why dost Thou reject my soul? Why dost Thou hide Thy face from me? 15 I was afflicted and about to die from my youth on; I suffer Thy terrors; I am overcome. 16 Thy burning anger has passed over me; Thy terrors have destroyed me. 17 They have surrounded me like water all day long; They have encompassed me altogether. 18 Thou hast removed lover and friend far from me; My acquaintances are in darkness." |
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Christadelphian Proof Text #13 Refuted: Job 20:5-9 "That the triumphing of the wicked is short, And the joy of the godless momentary? 6 "Though his loftiness reaches the heavens, And his head touches the clouds, 7 He perishes forever like his refuse; Those who have seen him will say, 'Where is he?' 8 "He flies away like a dream, and they cannot find him; Even like a vision of the night he is chased away. 9 "The eye which saw him sees him no more, And his place no longer beholds him." Job 20:5-9 |