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Age Of The Earth
Significance Of Issue,
Earnst Mayr, Harvard, "The revolution began when it became obvious that the
earth was very ancient rather than having been created only 6,000 years
ago. This finding was the snowball that started the whole avalanche.",
Nature Of The Darwinian Revolution, p.3.
Lawrence Badash, Prof. of History of Science, U. of CA, Santa Barbara, "As
the sun's first ray's of thermonuclear light blazed across the galaxy 4.5
billion years ago, the primal earth emerged from a spinning, turbulent
cloud of gas, dust and planetoids that surrounded the new star. ...On these
figures for the age of the earth rest all of geology and evolution."
Scientific American, 8/1989, p.90.
George Wald, Nobel Laureate, Harvard, "One has only to contemplate the
magnitude of this task to concede that the spontaneous generation of a
living organism is impossible. Yet, here we are - as a result, I believe,
of spontaneous generation." Scientific American, Vol. 191 No. 2, p.46
"However improbable we regard this event, or any of the steps which it
involves, given enough time it will almost certainly happen at least once.
...Time is in fact the hero of the plot. ...Given so much time, the
'impossible' becomes possible, the possible probable, and the probable
virtually certain. One has only to wait: time itself performs the
miracles," The Physics And Chemistry Of Life, p.12.
Radiometric Dating Involves At Least 8 Untestable Assumptions:
Beginning conditions known.
Ratio of Daughter to natural.
Constant Decay Rate.
(4-7) No leaching or addition of parent or daughter.
(8) All assumptions valid for billions of years
"ASSUMPTIONS", Henry Faul, Chairman Dept. Geology, U. of Penn. "Two
important assumptions are implicit in this equation: First, that we are
dealing with a closed system. And second, that no atoms of the daughter
were present in the system when it formed. These assumptions furnish the
most serious limitations on the accumulation clock. Rigorously closed
systems probably do not exist in nature, but surprisingly, many minerals
and rocks satisfy the requirement well enough to be useful for nuclear age
determination. The problem is one of judicious geologic selection.", Ages
Of Rocks, Planets & Stars, p.vi.
DAUGHTER/PARENT/LOSE/GAIN, Steven M. Stanley, Johns Hopkins, "In accepting
a date, even with a plus-or-minus figure, we are assuming that a dated rock
has remained a closed system - i.e., that it has neither lost nor received
parent or daughter atoms from some other source. Unfortunately, this is not
always the case. Rocks can, in fact, both gain and lose atoms... These
types of errors, which can beset even the most meticulous radiometric
analysis, often add up to sizable total errors..." Earth And Life Through
Time, 1986, p.122. A. Hayatsu, Dept. of Geophysics, U. of Western Ont., "In
conventional interpretation of K-Ar age data, it is common to discard ages
which are substantially too high or too low compared with the rest of the
group or with other available data such as the geological time scale. The
discrepancies between the rejected and the accepted are arbitrarily
attributed to excess or loss of argon." Canadian Journal Of Earth Science,
16:974. J.D. Macdougall, "The fourth assumption presupposes that the
concentration of uranium in any specimen has remained constant over the
specimen's life. ...ground-water percolation can leach away a proportion of
the uranium present in the rock crystals. The mobility of the uranium is
such that as one part of a rock formation is being improvised another part
can become abnormally enriched...at relatively low temperatures."
Scientific American, Vol.235 (6):118
"DATING MOON SAMPLES: Pitfalls And Paradoxes", Everly Driscoll, "What
complicates things for the uranium-lead method is that non-radiogenic lead
204, 206, 207 and 208 also exist naturally, and scientists are not sure
what the ratios of non-radiogenic to radiogenic lead were early in the
moon's history...The problem of how much lead was around to begin with
still remains...If all of the age-dating methods (rubidium-strontium,
uranium-lead and potassium-argon) had yielded the same ages, the picture
would be neat. But they haven't. The lead ages, for example, have been
consistently older...Isotopic ages have been obtained for material from
five landing sites on the moon--those of Apollos 11, 12, 14, 15 and Luna
16; each site has a different age. But in a given site, the ages also
vary... Ideally, any one basaltic rock from a given site should yield the
same isotopic age, regardless of the method used." Science News, V.101,
p.12
CONSTANT RATES? Frederic B. Jueneman, FAIC, "There has been in recent years
the horrible realization that radiodecay rates are not as constant as
previously thought, nor are they immune to environmental influences. And
this could mean that the atomic clocks are reset during some global
disaster, and events which brought the Mesozoic to a close may not be 65
million years ago but, rather, within the age and memory of man." Ind.
Research & Development, p.21, 6/1982
Methods are not concordant. Conclusions are selected. Contradictions
arbitrarily rejected.
DISSENTERS EJECTED, R. L. Mauger, East Carolina Univ., "In general, dates
in the 'correct ball park' are assumed to be correct and are published, but
those in disagreement with other data are seldom published nor or the
discrepancies fully explained.", Contributions To Geology, Vol.15 (1): 17.
Bates Mckee, U. of Washington, "If the laboratory results contradict the
field evidence, the geologist assumes that there is something wrong with
the machine date. To put it another way, 'good' dates are those that agree
with the field data. ...the geologist has more faith in the fossil evidence
than in a machine date, and this reflects some of the uncertainties of
radiometric determinations and the interpretation of results." CASCADIA,
The Geological Evolution Of The Pacific Northwest, p.25, 27
NOT CONCORDANT, Joan C. Engels, "It is now well known that K-Ar ages
obtained from different minerals in a single rock may be strikingly
discordant." Journal of Geology,Vol.79, p.609. C.S.Nobel & J.J.Naughton,
Hawaiian Inst. of Geophysics, "The radiogenic argon and helium contents of
three basalts erupted into the deep ocean from an active volcano (Kilauea)
have been measured. Ages calculated from these measurements increase with
sample depth up to 22 million years for lavas deduced to be recent.
...these lavas are very young, probably less than 200 years old. The
samples, in fact, may be very recent...", Science, Vol.162, p.265
PRECISION DATING? Roger Lewin, Ed. Research News, Science, "The calculated
age was quickly refined to be 2.61 ± 0.26 million years, which, to
anthropologist unfamiliar with the procedures of radiometric dating, has a
ring of comforting precision about it. ...41 separate age determinations...
which varied between 223 million and 0.91 million years ...after the first
determination they never again obtained 2.61 from their experiments." Bones
Of Contention, p.194
"C14 AGES IN ERROR", Robert E. Lee, "The Imperfect Art Of Estimating
Geological Time" "The troubles of the radiocarbon dating method are
undeniably deep and serious. Despite 35 years of technological refinement
and better under-standing, the underlying assumptions have been strongly
challenged... It should be no surprise, then, that fully half of the dates
are rejected. The wonder is, surely, that the remaining half come out to be
accepted. There are gross discrepancies, the chronology is uneven and
relative, and the accepted dates are actually selected dates."
Anthropological Journal of Canada, Vol. 19, no. 3, 1981, p.9.
FUNDAMENTAL ASSUMPTION, Report on C14 Conference (145 International
Scientists), Science, Vol. 150, p. 1490. "Throughout the conference
emphasis was placed on the fact that laboratories do not measure ages, they
measure sample activities. The connection between activity and age is made
through a set of assumptions. ...one of the main assumptions of C14 dating
is that the atmospheric radiocarbon level has held steady over the
age-range to which the method applies."
C14 INCREASING ! H. E. Suess, UCLA, "Symposium Organized By International
Atomic Energy Authority, ...presented the latest determinations...as
adduced from the current activity of dendrochronologically dated growth
rings of the Californian bristle cone pine. ...The carbon14 concentration
increases rather steadily during this time. These results confirm the
change in carbon14 concentration.... and indicate that the concentration
increases..." Science, Vol.157, p.726
"Proof of pudding" Tests
(Moon rocks, G. Canyon, Hawaiian, Mt. St. Helen lavas) Demonstrate
Invalidity.
"CLOCKS" UNRELIABLE, W.D. Stansfield (Anti-Creationist), Prof. Biological
Science, Cal. Polyt.S.U., "If we assume that (1) a rock contained no Pb206
when it was formed, (2) all Pb206 now in the rock was produced by
radioactive decay of U238, (3) the rate of decay has been constant, (4)
there has been no differential leaching by water of either element, and (5)
no U238 has been transported into the rock from another source, then we
might expect our estimate of age to be fairly accurate. Each assumption is
a potential variable, the magnitude of which can seldom be ascertained. In
cases where the daughter product is a gas, as in the decay of potassium
(K40) to the gas argon (Ar 40) it is essential that none of the gas escapes
from the rock over long periods of time...It is obvious that radiometric
technique may not be the absolute dating methods that they are claimed to
be. Age estimates on a given geological stratum by different radiometric
methods are often quite different (sometimes by hundreds of millions of
years). There is no absolutely reliable long-term radiological 'clock'".
The Science Of Evolution, 1977, p.84
GEOLOGICAL PHENOMENON...RAPID!
"The remains accumulate at varying rates, but a rate of one centimeter per
thousand years is typical." The Great Dinosaur Extinction Controversy,
Charles Officer and Jake Page, 1996, p.56
Fossils: Large, Detailed, Ephemeral, Polystrate
RAPID, Dunbar & Rogers, "Use of the lead-uranium ratio, however, soon
demonstrated its age to be more than two thousand million years... To some
thoughtful stratigraphers this amazing discovery presented a dilemma, for
if the known stratified rocks have been accumulating throughout this vast
span of time the average rate of deposition must have been extremely slow,
yet there is very good evidence that individual beds accumulated rapidly.
Thus Schuchert...found that if a geologic column were built up by
superposing the thickest known part of each of the geologic systems in
North America, from Cambrian to the present, the composite record would be
about 259,000 feet thick. If we combine his results with the latest
estimates of time based on radioactive minerals, we get the figures in
Table 5, in which the last column indicates the estimated average rate of
deposition. Internal evidence in the strata, however, belies these
estimates. In the Coal Measures of Nova Scotia, for example, the stumps and
trunks of many trees are preserved standing upright as they grew, clearly
having been buried before they had time to fall or rot away. Here sediment
certainly accumulated to a depth of many feet within a few years. In other
formations where articulated skeletons of large animals are preserved, the
sediment must have covered them within a few days at the most. Abundant
fossil shells likewise indicate rapid burial, for if shells are long
exposed on the sea floor they suffer abrasion or corrosion and are
overgrown by sessile organisms or perforated by boring animals. At the rate
of deposition postulated by Schuchert, 1000 years, more or less, would have
been required to bury a shell 5 inches in diameter. With very local
exceptions fossil shells show no evidence of such long exposure."
Principles Of Stratigraphy, p.128.
RAPID, Derek Ager, Past President British Geologists' Asso. "The geological
record is constantly lying to us. It pretends to tell us the whole truth,
when it is only telling us a very small part of it.(p.xvi) Nowhere in the
world is the record, or even part of it, complete. ...It may seem
paradoxical, but to me the gaps probably cover most of earth history, not
the dirt that happened to accumulate in the moments in between. It was
during the breaks that most events probably occurred. ...It is the gaps
that really matter.(p.14) ...Obviously sedimentation had to be very rapid
to bury a tree in a standing position before it rotted and fell down.
...Standing trees are known at many levels and in many parts of the world.
...we cannot escape the conclusion that sedimantation was at times very
rapid indeed and that at other times there were long breaks in the
sedimentation, though it looks uniform and continuous.(p.49)" The New
Catastrophism, 1993, p.49
RAPID, Edwin D. Mckee, "The chief significance of ripple lamination in the
geologic record is that it is an indicator of environments involving large
and rapid sand accumulation...areas where addition of new sand normally is
at a slow rate, have little chance of developing into superimposed ripple
lamination... In contrast, areas in which sand accumulates periodically but
rapidly, as in river flood plains were sand laden waters of strong floods
suddenly lose velocity are very favorable for building up ripple-laminated
deposits." Society of Economic Paleontologists and Mineralogists, p.107.
"SECONDS OR MINUTES," Alan V. Jopling, Dept. of Geology, Harvard, "it is
reasonable to postulate a very rapid rate of deposition; that is a single
lamina would probably be deposited in a period of seconds or minutes rather
than in a period of hours. ...there is factual evidence from both field
observation and experiment that laminae composed of bed material are
commonly deposited by current action within a period of seconds or
minutes." V.36, No. 4, pp.880-887. Adolf Scilacher, U. Frankfurt, "This
proves instantaneous deposition of the individual beds, as postulated by
the turbidity-current theory. ...did not accumulate gradually but were cast
instantaneously by turbidity currents each bed in its entire thickness, in
a matter of hours or less." Journal of Geology, V.70, p. 227.
RIPPLE MARKS, Robert R. Shrock, Proff. of Geology, M.I.T., "Because they
are one of the commonest and most widespread of original sedimentary
features, they have been described and illustrated in countless reports.
...Ripple marks are preserved in conglomerates, sandstones, and siltstones,
and in clastic limestones and dolostones. ...Many examples have been
described from rocks of all ages..." Sequence In Layered Rock, p.93, 95.
Incredibly Preserved Fossils
Shrimp, Fish eating Fish, Three Dimensional Fish, Polystrate Trees,
Iridescent Shells, Spiders, Jellyfish, Ichthyosaurs Giving Birth, Dinosaur
Heart, Dinosaur Blood Cells, Soft Tissue, Bird Tracks, Ubiquitous Ripple
Marks
"FRESH" DINOS, "Minerals, however, did not replace soft tissue in the bones
excavated from the banks of Alaska's Colville River west of Prudhoe Bay.
'They're as light as balsa wood and look as fresh as yesterday's dog
bones,' says Canadian paleontologist Phil Currie... For more than 65
million years the remains of the vegetarian duck-billed dinosaurs and other
creatures lay buried in the now-frozen tundra, which was once a coastal
swamp with a subtropical-to-temperate climate.'...their structure was
porous and the fossils were not remineralized.' Therefore, in their deep
freeze, the Alaskan bones may well have preserved some of their DNA." Omni,
1/90, p.32
DINOSAUR blood cells, SOFT TISSUE "Round and tiny and nucleated, they were
threaded through the bone like red blood cells in blood vessels. But blood
cells in a dinosaur bone should have disappeared eons ago. 'I got goose
bumps. ...It was exactly like looking at a slice of modern bone. But, of
course, I couldn't believe it. ...The bones are, after all 65 million years
old. How could blood cells survive that long?'" Science, Research News,
V.261, 9/7/'93 "I had one reviewer tell me that he didn't care what the
data said, he knew that what I was finding wasn't possible, says
Schweitzer. I wrote back and said, Well, what data would convince you? And
he said, None!" Discover Magazine, 4/2006
ERASED, "Certain physical limits seem inescapable. In approximately 50,000
years, water alone strips bases from the DNA and leads to the breakage of
strands into pieces so small that no information can be retrieved from
them. Oxygen also contributes to the destruction of DNA. Even in ideal
conditions-in the absence of water and oxygen and at low
temperature-background radiation must finally erase all genetic
information," Scientific American, 11/93, p.92
Swift Coal and Quick Oil
RAPID COAL, George R. Hill Dean of College of Mines & Mineral Industries,
"A rather startling and serendipitous discovery resulted....These
observations suggest that in their formation, high rank coals,....were
probably subjected to high temperature at some stage in their history. A
possible mechanism for formation of these high rank coals could have been a
short time, rapid heating event." [Six Hours], Chemtech, May, 1972, p. 292.
garbage into oil, " British scientists claimed to have invented a way to
turn household garbage into oil suitable for home heating or power plant
use. 'We are doing in 10 minutes what it has taken nature 150 million years
to do', said Noel McAuliffe of Manchester University..." Sentinel Star,
2/26/1982. Middleton, Holyland, Loewenthal, Bruner, "Bottom line - Economic
accumulations of oil and gas can be generated in thousands of years in
sedimentary basins that have experienced hot fluid flow for similar
durations." The Petroleum Exploration Society of Australia No. 24, 1996, p.
6-12. "Anything Into Oil" "Turkey guts, junked car parts, and even raw
sewage go in one end of this plant, and black gold comes out the other end.
...Two hours later..." Discover Magazine, 4/6/2006p.46
Cave Formations
Police Speleotherms, "Hanging from a ceiling beam in the 40-year-old
building's basement are several rows of formations not usually seen so
close to ground level. Stalactites. Yep, stalactites - more than 100 of the
squiggly, slippery rock formations that thousands of people pay to see in
places named Carlsbad and Mammoth. ...They are natural cave ornaments, pure
and simple." Dallas Morning News, 4/4/1994, p.13A
INCHES IN DAYS, "....while some believe...beautiful icicle-looking
stalactites take years to form, Jerry Trout (cave specialist with the
Forest Service) says that through photo-monitoring, he has watched a
stalactite grow several inches in a matter of days." Arizona Highways,
1/1993, p. 11.
INDICATORS OF YOUNG EARTH
According to Anti-Creationist, W.D. Stansfield, Prof. Biological Science,
Cal. Polyt. S.U., Science Of Evolution, 1977, p. 84.
Water from volcanoes, Lava from volcanoes, Helium in atmosphere, Uranium
accumulation, Pressure in oil reservoirs, Human population, Meteoric dust
in strata, Meteorites in strata, Radiocarbon in atmosphere
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