Body: | The Search for Noah's Ark with Dr. Don Patton
Dr. Don Patton's Rebuttal of NAMI Dec 5, 2010
Noah's Ark Ministries International Fraud exposed! (NAMI)
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Indiana: "Balloq's medallion only had writing on one side? You sure about that?"
Sallah: "Positive!"
Indiana: "Balloq's staff is too long. Indiana."
Both: "They're digging in the wrong place!"
2010
Noah's Ark Ministries International Fraud
NAMI: "Made in China" Fraud Exposed
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Our critique of NAMI and their response
1. Don Patton's video exposing NAMI fraud wmv, flash, real Sept 14, 2010
2. Joint Paper by Randall Price and Don Patton on NAMI fraud: Nov 20, 2010
3. Don Patton's critique of 1st NAMI response: Dec 3, 2010
4. Don Patton's critique of 2nd NAMI response: Dec 10, 2010
5. Don Patton's exposes the fake wood photos: Dec 7, 2010
This is the rebuttal by Dr. Don Patton, to NAMI's response of Dec 7, 2010
(read NAMI response in full below)
Introduction:
1. NAMI tried to deal with the evidence and miserably failed.
Now, they have resorted to ad hominem arguments (personal attacks) rather
that deal with obvious demonstrations of fraud.
2. In an attempt to sustain the slanderous accusation that I am
a liar, they typed "don patton's lies" into Google and merely copied and
pasted the first 15 results from Google for their proof. We can tell they
did this by the code in their own document. Notice the
+Don+Patton%27s+lies, which translates to don patton's lies. The apostrophe
is the "%27" code.
(http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:kMroa8JFhCsJ:digbysblog.blogs
pot.com/2009/04/liar-for-christ-by-tristero-blood.html+Don+Patton%27s+lies%E2%80%
8F&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=cal)
3. The utter stupidity of this feeble effort is demonstrated by
the fact that ½ the output results have nothing to do with Don Patton,
except my name was on the same page as the word "lie."
4. Several instances are blog pages where the name Patton comes
up in one blog and someone uses the word "lies" three blogs later on a
different topic. Twice the word for "lies" means "laying, lays" as in the
sentence, "A house lies upon it's the foundation" or "A man lies in bed".
5. The Chinese English skills are clearly very bad, but it
appears that they didn't even read the Google results in context. They just
typed in "don patton's lies," and copied the first 15 search results, then
without reading, posted the results on their website as proof that someone
on the internet called me a liar. This is supposed to prove that I am a
liar. This action says all we need to know about NAMI. They are, pitifully
inept, sadly naïve and far from scientific.
Examining the Google search results:
1. One of the links NAMI posted as an
example of "don patton's lies" is a blog discussion that mentions my name
(Patton) in connection with a reference on our web site to the conversion
of world famous atheist Anthony Flew to Theism. The blogger is actually a
creationist and is in the midst of a discussion affirming that DNA Code is
evidence of Intelligent Design and says: "On the one side of this Grand
Canyon lies everything that can be explained by the chance and necessity of
physicodynamics. On the other side lies those phenomena than can only be
explained by formal choice contingency and decision theory-the ability to
choose with intent what aspects of ontological being will be preferred,
pursued, selected, rearranged, integrated, organized, preserved, and used."
We have the word "Patton" and the word "lies" on the same page but it does
not say anything about Patton lying. Even worse the word that Google found
for "lies" doesn't even mean Lying, but rather the idea that one thing lies
(or lays) below another.
2. Another example of their "brilliant
research" sites a link with my name (Patton) on the same page as a
quotation of Charles Darwin from Origin of The Species. "It will be much
more convenient to discuss this question in the chapter on the Imperfection
of the geological record; and I will here only state that I believe the
answer mainly lies in the record being incomparably less perfect than is
generally supposed." Another example of where the word "lies" is used in
the meaning here "What lies beneath the ocean?" Do we need to point out
that Charles Darwin did not know Don Patton?
3. Another referenced link does use the
word in correct sense, on a page where my name ("Patton") is mentioned and
maligned. The abuse is from the "North Texas Skeptics Association," a group
composed mostly of atheists. I aggravated them regularly while I was in
Dallas. However, the referenced quotation is from a letter between two men
whose discussion doesn't even involve Don Patton. "...is poor, deficient,
and full of lies."
4. Another relates to the "North Texas
Skeptics" but is actually a quotation from me ("Patton") regarding the then
president of the "North Texas Skeptics". "John Blanton had carelessly
plagiarized the lies of Glen Kuban"
5. Still another NAMI referenced link
sites the rants of a rabid evolutionist, responding to the prime time
presentation of the NBC video, "Mysterious Origins of Man." The very
professional production, narrated by Charlton Heston, interviewed me
("Patton") describing the Paluxy River footprints, human tracks and
dinosaur tracks side by side. Famous evolutionist, Richard Dawkins of
Oxford, is enraged by such evidence and has stated that such evidence
"would blow the theory of evolution out of the water." The cited
evolutionist didn't like this evidence either. He said: "This entire
production was an absolute travesty; it attacked reason and knowledge with
outrageous lies and distortions. The show's producers aim was to
disseminate falsehood without the responsibility of having to defend it;
..."
6. Another cited link quotes evolutionist
Ronald Powell's sarcastic remark regarding my ("Patton") reference to
Professor E. J. H. Corner of the Cambridge University, who said, "But I
still think that to the unprejudiced, the fossil record of plants is in
favor of special creation." Powell chafes at the implication and says,
"With all of this in mind concerning the lies and frauds that have been
committed what would an honest botanical evolutionist say?" He is
sarcastically referring to the lies and frauds of evolutionists. (I think
it's true without the sarcasm.)
7. Another cited link references my
("Patton") use of a statement made by English astronomer and mathematician,
Fred Hoyle, who demonstrated challenges to Darwinism from the science of
mathematics. "Fred Hoyle is often quoted as comparing the probability of
the origin of life to the probability of a tornado building a plane in a
junkyard. Hoyle's opinion was based on several mistakes and misconceptions
about both evolution and abiogenesis. These errors are detailed in the
Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and Probability of Abiogenesis Calculations"
The blogger does not like Sir Fred Hoyle or me, but in this instance, he is
saying that Hoyle is the liar. I have spent a lifetime exposing calloused
enemies of the truth, who typically resort to ad hominem attacks and often
accuse me of lying (just as NAMI). Those who deny the truth are unable to
make a substantive response. What else can they do. Without a substantive
response, what else can they do. Of course there are valid examples of this
on the internet. Jesus refers to such circumstances as occasions of joy.
"Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say
all kinds of evil against you because of Me. 12 "Rejoice and be glad, for
your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the
prophets who were before you." (Matthew 5:11)
8. Notorious evolutionist and long time
antagonist, Glen Kuban is the source of most of the rest of the NAMI
citations. He has spent a major portion of his life slandering
creationists, calling them liars. I consider it an honor to be on his list
of slandered creationists with scientists such as Henry Morris, John
Morris, Stephen Austin, etc.
9. Several NAMI citations are related to
one of the very human-like tracks in the Paluxy River. Kuban was present
when I spoke at a national creation conference in Tennessee, presenting
compelling evidence that human and dinosaur tracks were present in the
river bed. The next day two witnesses saw Kuban in Texas, in the Paluxy
River with a long "iron bar." The two witnesses knew Kuban well and called
us immediately, fearing Kuban was damaging the tracks. Two days later we
documented that the very track I had featured at the conference in
Tennessee, had indeed been vandalized. When the testimony of the witnesses
and the vandalization was reported, Kuban went ballistic and called
everyone associated with the report a liar and has not slowed down since.
Several years later I challenged him to take a polygraph exam regarding the
destruction of the track. I offered to pay for the exam if he passed. He
said he would, but did not. More years passed and his accusations of lying
persisted. So, I found the most reputable polygraph examiner I could find
in Texas. His qualifications are detailed on his web site:
http://www.joemorrispolygraph.com/about.htm Mr. Morris examined my
account of the story in great detail and I passed the exam with flying
colors. I then challenged Kuban to do the same, offering to pay him double
the cost if he passed (provided he use a qualified examiner). This
challenge and offer has been detailed on our web since the middle of 2007.
https://www.bible.ca/tracks/taylor-trail-glen-kuban-slanderous-accusations-refuted.htm
Kuban has quit speaking to me but he attacks behind my back as often as
possible. His slanderous accusations are all over the internet, but he
still has not taken me up on my offer to pay him double his cost if he
passes a qualified polygraph exam. On the one hand, we have a plurality of
witnesses and a qualified polygraph exam. On the other hand, we have
ubiquitous accusations from a notorious slanderer of creationists. Some may
not be able to see a difference. Christians can.
10. Evidently, these kinds of things are the best
ad hominem attack NAMI can muster. If this is the worst that can be said,
it is a ringing recommendation. Christians see this as time to "Rejoice and
be glad!"
11. While we do not accuse NAMI of the original fraud,
which was instigated by Parasut, they are now responsible for dissociating
themselves from him rather than taking a defensive posture. We understand
the Oriental obsession with saving face, but those in NAMI are called to be
Christians first (which they claim to be), with the self-denying humility
Christians are called to practice.
Conclusion:
1. It is very clear that NAMI are poorly organized, amateurish,
uneducated, naïve and unscientific.
2. Like Solomon's son Rehoboam, NAMI has rejected the council
of the wise for the foolish council of a con man and frauster named
"Parasut" who has a reputation in his own home town of being a both a
drunkard and a con man.
3. My purpose in exposing the NAMI fraud is to prevent further
damage to the reputation of Jesus Christ and the inspiration of the Bible.
4. The NAMI fraud will make it more difficult for the world to
accept the facts when Noah's Ark really is discovered.
5. Shockingly, NAMI has announced that they will be selling their new
"documentary film" before the end of Dec 31, 2010. Selling? Yes. Remember
that one of the two main directors of NAMI is a professional movie maker,
not a scientist. They will be making huge amounts of money with this video
which is a crime against archeology and an insult to science and truth. TV
networks will pay hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars to have
the right to promote the film and then show it. Yes the whole thing will be
a sham, but NAMI has up to this point been completely unwilling to come
clean on the vast number of discrepancies and problems with their Movie
Set. It seems NAMI has no interest in truth and much interest in selling a
sham documentary to TV networks rather than doing real scientific and
archeological investigation by impartial professionals. In time NAMI will
be known for what they are.
6. NAMI claims to have made the biggest archeological find in world
history: Noah's Ark. If true, they could invite ANY top rated archeologist
alive today and he would be very eager and willing to participate in
documenting such a remarkable find of this great magnitude. Instead, NAMI
has chosen to produce a Hollywood style documentary movie that they will
sell to the networks and privately to individuals. The choice to make a
movie rather than seek out a world class archeologist speaks volumes about
who and what NAMI really is, especially in light of the fact that they have
terminated any further access to Dr. Randall Price. Dr. Price, a highly
qualified, experienced professional archeologist, is a perfect candidate.
For the last 5 years he has been Director of the Qumran Plateau Excavation
at Qumran, Israel where the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered. Releasing a
movie to make money, rather than professionally documenting their
"discovery" in any top professional peer reviewed archeological journal,
has all the indications of fraud.
By Dr. Don Patton
The NAMI response Dec 7, 2010
See also:
Don Patton's video exposing NAMI fraud wmv, flash, real Sept 14, 2010
Joint Paper by Randall Price and Don Patton on NAMI fraud Nov 20, 2010
Don Patton's critique of 1st NAMI response Dec 3, 2010
December 7, 2010
Further Statement in Response to Randall Price and Don Patton's Report
On further scrutiny of the materials contained in the captioned Report, together with our internal records of findings based on what we have actually seen at our reported "NAMI Site", coupled with the scientific reports on the specimens taken out from the site, we strongly believe that the large wooden structure at the "NAMI Site" is the legendary Noah's Ark depicted in the Holy Bible. While we acknowledge and agree that further scientific research and studies should be, and would be performed, we however, do not and cannot accept the recent report of Randall Price and Don Patton ("P&P Report") for the reasons as follows:¬
1. From the site pictures and the GPS location of the P&P Site shown in the P&P Report, we are very certain that they have gone to a wrong site by far, or at least not the "NAMI Site" as they proclaimed. Therefore all the "evidence" put forward in the P&P Report in relation to the "Price and Patton Site" were virtually irrelevant and had no impact on the genuineness of the "NAMI Site" whatsoever.
2. On the aforesaid premise, we have strong suspicions towards the alleged evidence provided by the Kurds. If those Kurds are indeed members of the working team as they claimed who had involved in (according to their sayings) "setting up of the NAMI Site", the Kurds would have, logically, brought Price and Patton to the correct site in the first place. The credibility of the Kurds as referred in the P&P Report is therefore highly questionable.
3. We have been informed and have doubts towards the credibility of Patton, in particular, his history of lying about his academic credentials and his conducts of fabricating, presenting false and unverified evidence in public seminars and on other occasions. This can be seen from the references stated below.
4. Prior to the release of the P&P Report in November 2010, we have entered into a cooperation agreement with an organization to undergo a scientific study on the wooden structure at the "NAMI Site" subsequent to our initial discovery. The agreement, in essence, includes binding provisions on confidentiality which restricted both parties to disclose information of the NAMI Site and the related discovery to any third party or parties until all the work required in the agreement have been completed. For this reason, we are not in a position to disclose any further information about the site at this time.
5. That said, however, we do have a time table of releasing and disclosing more information concerning the discovery but it is also subject to the progress status of the examination and research work as abovementioned. We are aware that the public may be very eager to know more about the discovery but one must understand that archaeological discovery and verification require a long process of work and investigation demands a certain amount of time.
We sincerely invite those who are genuinely concerned and care about our work and ministries to be patient and to bear with us for the time being. We promise we will release more information about the discovery in the near future.
Noah's Ark Ministries International 7 December, 2010
www.noahsarksearch.net
References:
[Don Patton note about links below. NAMI typed in "don patton's lies" into Google and posted the first 15 outputted results below. Half of the results do not even apply to me and the rest are evolutionists making personal attacks like NAMI has done because they cannot answer my scientific arguments.]
1. The certified credentials of Dr. Don Patton Ph.D. John Blanton had carelessly plagiarized the lies of Glen Kuban without going to the ... Don R. Patton 813 Trails Pkwy Garland, TX 75043 (972) 279-5325 ... https://www.bible.ca/tracks/degree.htm -Cached -Similar
2. Don Patton's Phony Degree that explains why: you send me to hell, don´t remember me ,want to make a deal to shut me up, etc. ... Is poor, deficient, and full of lies. ... http://www.ntskeptics.org/issues/randi/recentrant/rant.htm -Cached -Similar
3. ASA -April 1998: Don Patton's lies 30 Apr 1998 ... his fellow creationists don't rise up and throw this guy out on his ear. Here are the links to the Patton's lie and Glen's response: ... http://www.asa3.org/archive/asa/199804/0478.html -Cached
4. ASA -April 1998 by thread Re: Cana and apparent age Bill Payne; Re: Don Patton's lies Glenn R. Morton ... http://www.asa3.org/archive/asa/199804/
5. Don Patton -Hullabaloo 22 Apr 2009 ... So...just in case you don't believe Patton would lie about everything, go here: Since early 1989, Don Patton, a close associate of Carl ...
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:kMroa8JFhCsJ:digbysblog.blogs pot.com/2009/04/liar-for-christ-by-tristero-blood.html+Don+Patton%27s+lies%E2%80% 8F&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=cal -Cached -Similar
6. Why Dr. Don Patton is a Fraud and you should never plagiarise the ... The Bible Tracks website is authored by "Dr" Don Patton's whose Ph.D is in ... No, I'm not surprised that creationists would spin such lies and propaganda! ... http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=70959708288&topic=8133 -Cached
7. YouTube -Dr. Don Patton: Evolution Tested and Falsified Dr. Don Patton: Evolution Tested and Falsified -MUST SEE! .... LIES -DECEIT ¬FRAUD -The Dilemma of...by ppsimmons4933 views . 10:02 ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ym1RaUnuL0 -Cached
8. Don Patton -Entropy, Information, and The 'Deteriorating' Fossil ... 21 Nov 2010 ... Laws Of Science -Don Patton -video and more quotes on the second law ... On the one side of this Grand Canyon lies everything that can be ... http://vimeo.com/17050184 -Cached
9. Background into the controversy surrounding Don Patton's teaching ... Background of the controversy regarding Don Patton's Teaching on Romans
14. ... Unfortunately, many have concluded that lies have been told about Don ... http://soundteaching.org/fellowship/patton1.htm -Cached -Similar
10. Quotations about Evolution 3 Aug 2001 ... This is a collection of quotations from Don Patton on the subject .... and I will here only state that I believe the answer mainly lies in ... http://www.ooblick.com/text/patton/ -Cached -Similar
11. Annals of the Texas Board of Education : Pharyngula 22 Apr 2009 ... Here's an example of the bad guys: Don Patton preening smarmily and ... that he knows are out and out lies (unless he is just insane). ...Cached http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:qWHhvec2nCsJ:scienceblogs.com /pharyngula/2009/04/annals_of_the_texas_board_of_e.php+Don+Patton%27s+lies%E2%8 0%8F&cd=14&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca
12. Debunking NBC and BC Video's "Mysterious Origins of -XMission ... Carl Baugh, fundamentalist minister Dale Peterson, MD Don Patton, ..... it attacked reason and knowledge with outrageous lies and distortions. ... www.xmission.com/~tlacy/mom.txt -United States -Cached -Similar http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:LzlItgir9vgJ:www.xmission.com/ ~tlacy/mom.txt+Don+Patton%27s+lies%E2%80%8F&cd=15&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca
13. In addition, Baugh and his friends, Don Patton and Clifford Burdick, ... are built upon willful lies by supposed Christians. ... www.city-data.com › ... › General Forums › Religion and Philosophy -Cached http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1nEJVgwdQnEJ:www.city-data.c om/forum/religion-philosophy/719745-lots-links-artifacts-depicting-human-dinosaur-11.ht ml+Don+Patton%27s+lies%E2%80%8F&cd=16&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca
14. Don Patton has a disclaimer about the context of his quotations at ..... "With all of this in mind concerning the lies and frauds that have been committed ... www.theistic-evolution.com/references.html -Cached -Similar http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:YqXsnxx9bicJ:www.theistic-evol ution.com/references.html+Don+Patton%27s+lies%E2%80%8F&cd=18&hl=en&ct=clnk& gl=ca
15. Quotations and Misquotations 28 Feb 2002 ... Evidence for Creation: Fossil Record by Don Patton quotes Darwin9: .... The Quote Mine Project: Or, Lies, Damned Lies and Quote Mines www.talkorigins.org/faqs/quotes/ -Cached -Similar http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:GurTekkTwMQJ:www.talkorigins .org/faqs/quotes/+Don+Patton%27s+lies%E2%80%8F&cd=20&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca
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2010
Noah's Ark Ministries International Fraud
NAMI: "Made in China" Fraud Exposed
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Who are NAMI?
Noah's Ark Ministries International
Video by Don Patton exposing the NAMI fraud:
(30 megs) Windows format: WMV: NAMI Fraud of 2008
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Our critique of NAMI and their response
1. Don Patton's video exposing NAMI fraud wmv, flash, real Sept 14, 2010
2. Joint Paper by Randall Price and Don Patton on NAMI fraud: Nov 20, 2010
3. Don Patton's critique of 1st NAMI response: Dec 3, 2010
4. Don Patton's critique of 2nd NAMI response: Dec 10, 2010
5. Don Patton's exposes the fake wood photos: Dec 7, 2010
NAMI's fake "Noah's Ark" wood Exposed!
Dr. Patton was guided to the NAMI Ark site by the man who hauled the wood up Mt. Ararat to build it! He recognized the wood that was recovered at the 13,000 foot site and gave the piece to Dr. Patton as a sample.
Also see:
1. The "Chameleon wood sample"
2. The "Easter Egg wood sample"
3. The "Pinocchio wood sample"
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The examination of Nami's fake Noah's Ark wood recovered
By Dr. Don Patton
By Dr. Don Patton
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