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Sola Scriptura and the Apostolic Fathers: 400 AD: Jerome Sola Scriptura: The Bible alone is enough! Apostolic Fathers used scripture as the primary defense against false doctrine. Click to View Sola Scriptura home page Click to View Apostolic Fathers: Dates they lived and other information. Click to View Apostolic Fathers: Five kinds of Tradition. Click to View Mandatory: Apostolic Fathers Catechism Class for Catholics and Orthodox. 400 AD: Jerome: "Don't you know that the laying on of hands after baptism and then the invocation of the Holy Spirit is a custom of the Churches? Do you demand Scripture ... for instance the practice of dipping the head three times in the layer, and then, after leaving the water, of tasting mingled milk and honey in representation of infancy; and, again, the practices of standing up in worship on the Lord's day, and ceasing from fasting every Pentecost; and there are many other unwritten practices which have won their place through reason and custom. So you see we follow the practice of the Church, although it ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/sola-scriptura-apostolic-fathers-jerome.htm

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The Apostolic Fathers believed in expedient, optional tradition The Apostolic Fathers believed in expedient, optional tradition "So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us." (2 Thessalonians 2:15) Click to View Sola Scriptura home page Introduction: ... are optional practices usually associated with carrying out specific commands and liturgy that are recorded in scripture. ... Tradition #3: Expedient tradition. (Roman 14:5) A. Expedient Tradition exists in every church today: Today, every local church on ... Unfortunately this good practice of spending extra Bible study time together as a church, may become an unwritten law and seen on the same level of authority as the first day (Sunday) communion worship services. ... Mark 7:3,5 God did not require washing of hands. It was a human origin custom. It was man made doctrine. Jesus knew it was an ... E. List of expedient traditions mentioned by the Church Fathers: 200 AD: Tertullian, The crown or De Corona, ch 3-4 400 AD: Jerome... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/sola-scriptura-tradition-5-types-3-expedient.htm

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George Salmon's Infallibiliy of the church ... Kenny Chumbley Ludlow, IL 60949 31 December 1996 Click to View TABLE OF CONTENTS Part 1: Infallibility The Catholic Claim The Crux ... by Holy Mother Church, whose province it is to judge of the true sense and interpretation of Scripture"; and, further, to say: "Nor will I ever receive or interpret it except according to the unanimous consent of the Fathers." [1281 a. This decision stands in stark contrast to the practice of the Latin Fathers, who, far from desiring to check the study of the ... Scripture, having in those traditions a secure record of apostolic teaching on many points on which the Bible contained only ... been handed down either in Scripture, or in continuous unwritten tradition; and the Council, in particular decrees passed ... Ecclesiastical traditions are ancient customs of the Church, which, however instituted at first, have, by length of custom, ... Jerome: "This, because it has not authority from the Scriptures, is with the same easiness despised as approved." (In. ... ... https://www.bible.ca/cath-salmon-infallibility.htm

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Bulwarks of the Faith Foy E Wallace JR. Refuting Dogmas Catholicism ... ... II THE DOCTRINAL PERSPECTIVE The point of view is important. What we see depends on where we look. The field of doctrine should ... What becomes of their argument that "psallo" teaches it? What about their claims of scriptural authority, apostolic example, the ... local church to decide what it shall teach and practice. That is certainly a wide liberty with a broad license. It would give to every man Jew, Catholic, Pagan and Protestant, the liberty to introduce into the wor-ship, or practice in his religion any unauthorized thing on earth, just so it is not specifically condemned and prohibited by a scripture ... No one is ignorant that the heresies proscribed by the Fathers of Trent, by which the divine magisterium of the Church was ... Therefore the Bishops of the whole world, now singly, now assembled in Synod, following the long-established custom of churches, ... Callistus and Victor, Cyprian and Tertullian, Origen and Jerome, Novatian and Hippolytus-out of these contro-versies came ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/catholic/Catholic-church-doctrine-Bulwarks-of-the-Faith-Foy-E-Wallace-JR-Refuting-Dogmas-Catholicism-Protestant-Denominationalism-1951AD.htm

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Sola Scriptura: The failure of extra-biblical oral church traditions Tertullian and Jerome started dangerous practices in writing their "Rule of Faith", because these creeds eventually supplanted the ... False: "Tradition is the mother of the Bible." Click to View Top ten list of why the Roman Catholic and Orthodox take the wrong view of tradition B. The Catholic and Orthodox view of tradition: "Tradition is the mother of the Bible." (priest) When Roman Catholic and Orthodox defenders attach sola Scriptura, they appeal to references to tradition in both scripture and the writings of the Church Fathers. They use these references to justify ... Orthodox churches practice almost none of this liturgy today, proving false their claim that their current liturgy came from the apostles. Today however, the Roman Catholic church, for example rejects both scripture and tradition (as recorded in the apostolic fathers) and ... Their oral law or tradition was so "synthesized" to the written Torah, that judgment of the validity of that unwritten law by means of the ... ... https://www.bible.ca/sola-scriptura-tradition.htm

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Sabbatatrians Refuted and Sabbath keepers Exposed: 2011 AD ... treaties that Israel's neighbors made with one another. It was the custom of the time to draft these agreements so that a list of required ... Thereafter, Old Testament writers made note of how this concept was incorporated into universal practice in Israel. We are much more ... Paul was God's specially designated ambassador of the Gospel to the Gentiles according to Scripture. We credit our reading of the works of ... that the Sabbath was a Creation ordinance, perhaps because there is no proof to offer and all the evidence is against this point-of-view. ... Bacchiocchi's website, Biblical Perspectives.) QUESTION: Have not Rabbis and Church Fathers taught that the Sabbath is a Mosaic institution ... the Gentile "dogs." It was a group of Jews-the Apostles-who, in apostolic times, and under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, decided that the ... For the complete text of the 1873 edition of Andrews' book, go to the Wikipedia article, "J.N. Andrews," and click on the link to the book. ... ... https://www.bible.ca/7-lying-for-god-Kerry-Wynne.htm

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Start here: Introduction and Overview to Sola Scriptura ... Beware of Pseudo-Sola Scriptura churches Sola Scriptura means just what it says: the Bible alone! E. Many claim Sola Scriptura but in practice deny it by using creeds If ... Extra-Biblical, oral tradition doctrines are seen as equal to scripture itself. These churches are heavy users of creeds. In buffet style, they pick and chose which doctrines of the apostolic fathers they feel are authoritative, while rejecting others. Click to View Quotes: "But the appeal to antiquity is both a treason and a heresy. It is a treason because it rejects the Divine voice of the Church at this hour, and a heresy because it denies that voice to be Divine. How ... which is the illumination of the Spirit." ... "Foolish Ambrose, Augustine, Jerome, Gregory-of whom not one even knew the Lord, so help me God, nor was sent by God to teach. ... Bible Corrupted? Continuing revelation? Doctrinal Development? Written Extra-biblical Authority? Unwritten Extra-biblical Authority? Truth: Sola Scriptura No 1 Tim 4:1 OT ... ... https://www.bible.ca/sola-scriptura-start.htm

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Encyclopedia of Pentecostal History of Tongues: 150 AD - 1901 ... Is the Holy Spirit revealing all these contradictory doctrines? Is God the author of all this doctrinal confusion? Click to View Summary chart of long data 33-100 ... tongues is nowhere alluded to, hinted at or even found in the Apostolic Fathers." (Cleon L. Rogers, "The Gift of Tongues in the Post-Apostolic Church," Bibliotheca Sacra 122, April-June 1965, 134.) "Glossolalia In Christian ... Just to name a few! The fact remains that since the canon of Scripture was completed, no genuine revival or orthodox movement has ever been ... And after the people have been dismissed at the end of the service it is her custom to relate to us what she has seen.... "Among other things," says she, ... who believed he was a prophet sent by God to reform Christianity through asceticism, the practice of glossolalia, and continued prophetic revelation. ... VIII, 1-50; Gregory Nazianzen, On Pentecost, xv, NPF, 2nd s., VII, 384; Jerome, Letters, XLI, NPF, 2nd s., VI, 55-56, and Against the Pelugians, I, xvi, ... ... https://www.bible.ca/tongues-history.htm

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Sabbath and Sunday in Early Christianity: Dr. David W. T. Brattston Consulting early Christian practices and customs is a good idea because they record how Christians lived their faith when the unwritten ... Although we may doubt that this Letter is inspired or scripture or even apostolic, it does witness to an early date for Christians observing Sunday and ... Compiled in Syria, The Didascalia is a long comprehensive manual for church practice from the first three decades of the third century. In contrast ... about the differences between the two peoples of God in the second century, both from the Christian and from the Jewish point of view. ... of the Jews and confuted them, saying: Christ, upon whom your fathers laid hands, abolished their sabbaths and fasts and holy-days and ... has any validity or binding force outside the period from Moses to Jesus, and ridiculed the custom of being idle one whole day in seven. ... was published in the Spring 2012 issue (vol. 126 no. 1) of The Churchman, Watford, England. Click to View Go To Start: WWW.BIBLE.CA ... ...https://www.bible.ca/H-sunday-sabbath-and-sunday-in-early-christianity-before-400AD-DavidW.T.Brattston.htm

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Sola Scriptura and the Apostolic Fathers: 250 AD: Cyprian Sola Scriptura: The Bible alone is enough! Apostolic Fathers used scripture as the primary defense against false doctrine. Click to View Sola Scriptura home page Click to View Apostolic Fathers: Dates they lived and other information. Click to View Apostolic Fathers: Five kinds of Tradition. Click to View Mandatory: Apostolic Fathers ... provinces also many things are varied because of the difference of the places and names"(Cyprian, Epistle 74, 6) Click to View The Orthodox Church relishes this little anti-Roman Catholic text by Cyprian. But the text provides just as many problems for the Orthodox because it proves that the celebration of Easter began well after 100 AD, since at 250 AD the practice was all over the map. ... whilst that which is done without against the Church is defended within in the very Church itself." ... "9. "Nor ought custom, which had crept in among some, to prevent the truth from prevailing and conquering; for custom without truth is the antiquity of error. ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/sola-scriptura-apostolic-fathers-cyprian.htm

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Sola Scriptura and the Apostolic Fathers: 200 AD: Tertullian Sola Scriptura: The Bible alone is enough! Apostolic Fathers used scripture as the primary defense against false doctrine. Click to View Sola Scriptura home page Click to View Apostolic Fathers: Dates they lived and other information. Click to View Apostolic Fathers: Five kinds of Tradition. Click to ... Ch 21) Click to View Tertullian clearly states that their doctrine and practice is identical to what the apostles taught orally and with scripture. Tertullian uses the expression "viva voce" (living voice) which is merely a reference to inspired oral revelation. The Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches have changed the original meaning of "viva voce" from the words spoken by inspired apostles, to whatever the current practice and dogma of the church is today. ... If no passage of Scripture has prescribed it, assuredly custom, which without doubt flowed from tradition, has confirmed it. For how can anything come into use, if it has not first been handed down? Even in pleading tradition, ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/sola-scriptura-apostolic-fathers-tertullian.htm

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Debate with Catholic on Sola Scriptura (Riggs Vs Lopez) ... Are we to search the mountain of volumes of the so-called church fathers? Are we to search the mountain of writings derived from the ... The apostle Peter referred to Paul's writings as Scripture. (2 Pet. 3:15-16). Paul is plainly revealing to us God's purpose for all ... The Scriptures, therefore, are the only authority. Any practice not found in them is of human origin and is, therefore, false. The ... We will not be judged by "oral apostolic traditions," "legislations of the church," etc.; thus, again, showing that the Scriptures are the only standard. Let us all have profound ... But with an authoritative church to help interpret those scriptures and pass on as well the unwritten truths of the faith, then we have ... In view of the above passages, one can easily see why the Catholic Church seeks to destroy the Bible as the only source of authority. ... Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures..." (Acts 17:1-2; see also ... ... https://www.bible.ca/cath-debate-riggs-lopez.htm

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Sola Scriptura and the Apostolic Fathers: 425 AD: Augustine Sola Scriptura: The Bible alone is enough! Apostolic Fathers used scripture as the primary defense against false doctrine. Click to View Sola Scriptura home page Click to View Apostolic Fathers: Dates they lived and other information. Click to View Apostolic Fathers: Five kinds of Tradition. Click to View Mandatory: Apostolic Fathers Catechism Class for Catholics and ... to be wise;" but be wise, as himself saith, "unto soberness, according as unto each God hath allotted the measure of faith." (Augustine, On the Good of Widowhood, 2) Click to View We don't question that Augustine, like Chrysostom and Jerome, believed in "unwritten customs and laws" passed down orally by the apostles. ... For have ye now merely heard that God is Almighty? But ye begin to have him for your father, when ye have been born by the church as your Mother. (Augustine, On the Nicene Creed: a Sermon to the Catechumens, 1) Click to View Augustine, like all the fathers, believed that every phrase in the Nicene ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/sola-scriptura-apostolic-fathers-augustine.htm

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"KJV Only" advocates refuted! ... Do KJV only advocates realize that they stand beside the Mormon church in that both groups believe that they were delivered an "inspired ... Where was "the word of God" prior to 1611? Did our Pilgrim Fathers have "the word of God" when they brought the GENEVA BIBLE translation ... inerrant scripture - "sin" [Cambridge KJV's] or "sins" [Oxford KJV's] at 2 Chronicles 33:19? Who publishes the "inerrant KJV"? ... in 1611 as affirmed by The Flaming Torch? [same page above] Click to View Indisputable, universally recognized errors in the KJV Special ... [S. August. de utilit. credendi cap. 6] Thus S. Augustine. and S. Jerome: "Ama scripturas, et amabit te sapientia etc." [S. Jerome. ad ... and so perfect, but it needed in many places correction; and who had been so sufficient for this work as the Apostles or Apostolic men? ... the Emperor's dominion, but hath been thought upon, and put in practice of old, even from the first times of the conversion of any Nation; ... ... https://www.bible.ca/b-kjv-only.htm

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Sola Scriptura and the Apostolic Fathers: 405 AD: John Chrysostom Sola Scriptura: The Bible alone is enough! Apostolic Fathers used scripture as the primary defense against false doctrine. Click to View Sola Scriptura home page Click to View Apostolic Fathers: Dates they lived and other information. Click to View Apostolic Fathers: Five kinds of Tradition. Click to View Mandatory: Apostolic Fathers ... Hence it is manifest, that they did not deliver all things by Epistle, but many things also unwritten, and in like manner both the one and the other are worthy of credit. Therefore let us think the tradition of the Church also worthy of credit. It is a tradition, seek no farther. Here he shows that there were many who were shaken." (John Chrysostom, Homily 4, commentary on 2 Thess 2:15) ... Provide us a specific list! Without such an example, we object that modern Catholics squeeze in all their extra-biblical doctrines. Jerome, who also lived at the same time as Chrysostom in 400 AD, does provide such a list in (Jerome, Dialogue Against the Luciferians, ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/sola-scriptura-apostolic-fathers-chrysostom.htm

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Bible Only Revelation Commentary by Steven Rudd ... Eusebius' treatment of the book is hesitating. He evidently himself discredited its apostolic authority, but at the same time he realized (as ... after AD 70 (Irenaeus, Jerome, Eusebius, Sulpicius Severus, Victorious) while ignoring inspired statements in the book of Revelation. b. ... Christians today are "led by the Spirit" through scripture. Notice that if God "dwelt in you", he was also "with you" to bless you. f. The ... by promiscuous experiments in flattery." "As for myself, Conscript Fathers, that I [Tiberias] am mortal, that my functions are the functions ... Melito said that Nero and Domitian slandered Christian teaching, leading to "the unreasonable custom of falsely accusing Christians" among the ... In either case the incident does not seem to have been part of a sustained campaign against the church. The image of widespread persecution ... 1999 AD) h. "Scholarship, however, has challenged the traditional view that the situation behind the book of Revelation boiled out of the ... ... https://www.bible.ca/revelation/

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Tradition wars: The Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches make ... Both Roman Catholics and Orthodox view the other churches tradition as invalid. We merely highlight the fact that, contrary to their claims, "church tradition" does not bring about uniform doctrine and interpretation of scripture. Click to View The Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches make the identical claim of apostolic succession, yet are so different they are not even in communion! Click to View Sola Scriptura home page Roman ... Orthodox must keep a ridged schedule of fasts in order to have communion every week, but the most common practice is a minimum of four times a year during the four Orthodox Lents ... In this they are not wide of the truth, for I do so assert. Their complaint is that their custom does not accept this, and that Scripture does not agree. What is my reply? I do not ... In other words, they are doctrines that clearly never entered the minds of the apostles. The earliest Apostolic Fathers also knew nothing about them. But Carlton misses the most ... ... https://www.bible.ca/catholic-vs-orthodox.htm

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Kadesh-Barnea by Henry Clay Trumbull, 1884 AD ... It is chosen by Saint Paul 2 as the likeness of the corres ponding failures of the first efforts of the primitive Christian church; the one ... were between that and the Dead Sea plains. The indications of the Scripture narrative, therefore, are, that Kedor-la omer s northward route ... 202) ; and others. 3 So think : Jerome (Com. on Genesis) ; " Rashi" ( al ha-Torah) ; Tremellius and Junius (Genevan Bi lie) ; Patrick (Crit. ... " (F. "W. Holland, in TJie Recovery of Jerusalem, p. 527.) This view is accepted by Porter, in Alexander s Kitto, Art. "Wandering, Wilder ... or fence/ a name which the Greeks translated according to their custom, calling it Gerrhon (TO Fe/fyW), or in the plural Gerrha (TO. Ysftfia). ... ; but in their country each day s journey on the roads they traveled had been fixed by their fathers ; and neither they nor I could change it. ... time, Pierotti says confidently. " The Arabs only follow (though carrying to excess) the practice of the Hebrews in the matter of bakhshish." ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/archeology/bible-archeology-exodus-kadesh-barnea-henry-clay-trumbull-1884ad.htm

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Irrefutable questions that Roman Catholics can't answer ... If the Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches both believes that the scripture: "the church is the pillar and foundation of truth" means the ... Why do Roman Catholic churches today have knelling rails in front of every pew? If the "apostolic tradition" was to make the sign of the cross ... Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches practice all of these things? Practice from Tradition Orthodox Catholic disown the devil before baptism ... Click to View Click to View SCORE What percentage of the oral tradition in 200 AD do Orthodox and Catholic keep today? Worse still, the traditions of Orthodox and Catholic today contradict each other! 50% 0% Tertullian, The crown or De Corona, ch 3-4 Jerome, Dialogue Against ... Worse still, both these church fight with protestants that you must use their oral tradition but the Orthodox and Catholic oral traditions ... The Church Fathers believed what Paul said in Eph 3:3-5, that the scripture could be understood by merely reading it. They indicated that the ... ... https://www.bible.ca/catholic-questions.htm

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30-150AD: Church organization the same as in the Bible Blueprint ... ... Each church was a kind of small independent republic, governing itself by its own laws, enacted or at least sanctioned by the people. But in the process of time it became customary for all the Christian ... D. What the apostolic fathers say about the period of 30 AD - 150 AD: Click to View Learn from the Bible Blueprint, how the church was organized by the apostles! 90 AD "Appoint, therefore, for yourselves, bishops and deacons worthy of the Lord, men meek, and not ... Nor was this any new thing, since indeed many ages before it was written concerning bishops and deacons. For thus saith the Scripture in a certain place, "I will appoint their bishops in righteousness, ... of Hermas, Parable/Similitude IX, 164) 492 AD See Jerome below. Notice that Jerome documents in 492 AD, that overseers and elders are the same office, and that local churches had more than one. In spite of the practice of the day in 492 AD, Jerome looks back, in same way we can today, and comments on what the Bible says! ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/ntx-organization-historical-development-papal-patriarchal-systems-33-150AD.htm

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Early and Latter Rain Theology Refuted When Christians saw the signs, they fled the city and were saved. Go to Rapture Refuted home page Click to View "Early and Latter Rain" Theology Refuted Introduction: 1. Latter Rain theology is ... Extra-Biblical, oral tradition doctrines are seen as equal to scripture itself. These churches are heavy users of creeds. In buffet style, they pick and choose which doctrines of the apostolic fathers they feel are authoritative, while rejecting others. b. Ecclesiastically Illuminated, Anti-Traditionalists, Creedalists: Jehovah's Witnesses, like Catholics believe only the leaders of the church (ie. the Governing Body who write the ... We call these churches "pseudo sola Scriptura" organizations because although they claim to use the Bible only, they certainly do not in practice since they use creeds, believe the ... of David, which is the illumination of the Spirit." ... "Foolish Ambrose, Augustine, Jerome, Gregory-of whom not one even knew the Lord, so help me God, nor was sent by God to teach. ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/rapture-prediction-end-of-the-world-early-and-latter-rains-god-told-me-inspired-illuminated.htm

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The Error of the Catholic Nicene Trinity trinity, is the theological explanation as to how a mono-theistic view of God can have three-ness. This ontological trinity explains how the plumbing works and goes far beyond a simple affirmation of the three-ness of the mono-theistic God as revealed in scripture. ... The Trinity that is found in the Bible vs. the Trinity that is not found in the Bible! For a full discussion click on the following links or see ... post New Testament period of the Apostolic Fathers no attempt was made to work out the God-Christ (Father-Son) relationship in ontological terms. ... Spirit, but even earlier by the consistent worship of God in a trinitarian pattern and the practice of baptism into the threefold name of God. ... Spirit to a dogmatic formulation of a doctrine of the Triune God, we look first to the Eastern Church where most of this development took place. ... end. (New Catholic Encyclopedia, 1965, Trinity, p304) It was the custom in former times for theologians to blend their own speculations and ... ... https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-catholic-nicene.htm

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Extra-Biblical oral apostolic tradition does not exist today So tradition includes not only the body of belief and practice unique to Roman Catholicism, but also involves the teaching authority of the church itself at any ... the written books and the unwritten traditions which, received by the Apostles from the mouth of Christ Himself, or from the Apostles themselves, the Holy Ghost dictating, have come down even unto us, transmitted as it were from hand to hand, following the example of the orthodox Fathers, receives and venerates, with ... My friends, that is just not good enough. Greg Litmer Click to View Is Tradition a Source Of God's Revelation? The Catholic Church teaches that there are two sources of understanding God's revelation of His will. These are God's Word, the Bible, and the teachings and "We find God's revelation in Sacred Scripture and in Tradition" (New Parish Catechism, ... The Church often asserted apostolic sanction for tradition and usages that could not be traced to apostolic writings...While the Bible contains God's original ... ... https://www.bible.ca/catholic-tradition.htm

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Scriptures were more important than tradition to Apostolic Fathers Go to: "Canon of the Bible" Home Page Scriptures were more important than tradition to Apostolic Fathers Introduction: Roman Catholic and Orthodox leaders love to ... Without help, I just couldn't put it into practice. What I needed was someone with expertise who could explain the manual to me. Fortunately, I had a friend who ... Zell, for example, says the scripture is unclear in labeling deviant sex being a sin. He implies that God is so stupid, that God could not clearly express Himself ... Forget the Bible, just trust the church tradition! Click to View So lets run with this. Ok! No Bible. Only church tradition... Lets reword what Zell said. Before we do, remember both the Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches both claim to be God's exclusive organization for truth and tradition. Both claim to be the apostolic church. Yet they ... In fact these kind of outrageously wrong statements are made by both Roman Catholic and Orthodox leaders all the time. Saint Jerome wrote that "ignorance of the ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/b-canon-scriptures-tradition-apostolic-fathers.htm

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Bible Prophecy Fulfilled Click to View List of 15 similarities of Abraham as a type of Christians Click to View List of 13 Exodus Route types of our salvation in Christ Click to ... in the dual prophecies of Isaiah 7:14; Isaiah 53 and 2 Samuel 7:14. The correct approach is to view all of Matthew 24 as a dual or triple prophecy. f. ... Midrash is how Christians today determine faith and doctrine in the church which includes obeying the silence of scripture, direct command, approved apostolic example and inference as witnessed in how the Christians in Acts 15 refuted ... his heart to study (Hebrew: drs = midrash) the law of the LORD and to practice it, and to teach His statutes and ordinances in Israel." (Ezra 7:10) c. ... Then Paul goes on to say singles have the liberty to marry if they want. Again, Paul's advice to fathers in "doing well vs. doing better" (1 Cor 7:38) is ... "The seventy palm trees remind us of Christ's seventy disciples" (Jerome). "The bitter water was the law of the Old Testament, which needed to be ... ... https://www.bible.ca/prophecy/welcome.htm

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Jehovah's Witnesses abuse the divine name YHWH of my God ... VIII. Statements by the "Church Fathers" do not prove a Hebrew Matthew: Anyone who has studied the writings of the "Apostolic Fathers" knows that they are quite unreliable. It is ... Click to View Scholars reject that the early church fathers provide evidence of a Hebrew original of Matthew: click here. Papias (150-170 C.E.) Matthew composed the words in the Hebrew dialect, and each translated as he was able. (quoted by Eusebius Eccl. Hist. 3:39. Remember, ... among them as it was first written, in Hebrew letters. (Epiphanius; Panarion 29:9:4) Jerome (382 C.E.) "Matthew, who is also Levi, and from a tax collector came to be an emissary ... In which is to be remarked that, wherever the evangelist... makes use of the testimonies of the Old Scripture, he does not follow the authority of the seventy translators [the ... YHWH reads the same in Hebrew and Greek, yet God DID NOT WANT to use it in the New Testament. This is because YHWH was replaced by the name JESUS as per Acts 4:12. So the practice ... ... https://www.bible.ca/jw-YHWH.htm

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The false doctrine of Roman Catholic apostolic succession! ... (The Faith of Our Fathers, p. 54). Please notice, first of all, that the Catholic writer says, "There is no just ground for denying to the Apostolic teachers of the nineteenth century in which we live a prerogative clearly possessed by those of the first..." In other words, he is saying there is no just ground for denying that the present day teachers in the Catholic Church are successors to ... Individuals are made believers today as result of the apostles witnessing through their inspired writings. Click to View Catholic Successors We are taught of ... The above Catholic writer quotes a passage of Scripture, Matt. 28:20, and declares that it discloses that the apostles were to have successors. ... The following quotes from Catholic sources show that the practice of auricular confession slowly and gradually developed. "When and why did Holy ... Such is the origin of the present ecclesiastical costume." (General History of the Catholic Church, pp. 328-329). "Gradually the custom was ... ... https://www.bible.ca/cath-apostolic-succession.htm

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Part1: Pagan Section: Trinity Watchtower BOOKLET: Should You ... ... The Catholic Encyclopedia also comments: "In Scripture there is as yet no single term by which the Three Divine Persons are denoted ... The very next sentence says, "In the immediate post New Testament period of the Apostolic Fathers no attempt was made to work out the ... but even earlier by the consistent worship of God in a trinitarian pattern and the practice of baptism into the threefold name of God." ... Eliade specifically includes the Arian view as a later development and not the original apostolic faith! But what is worse, notice the following quote from a source used by the ... the church being governed from one world headquarters did not form part of the apostles' preaching, as this is reported in the New Testament, but first developed in 606 AD in Rome. (1300 years before Brooklyn which was 1800 years too late to be in the Bible!) Click here ... Acts 2:38; 16:33. But in fact, it was the custom of the day for civil leaders to delay their baptisms till the end of their lives. Yes ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-JW-SYBTT-Watchtower-BOOKLET-Should-You-Believe-the-Trinity-EXPOSED-REFUTED-pagan-section.htm

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The Lord's Supper The Bible Blueprint of the Lord's Supper: Click to View The Bible Pattern: Communion Breaking Bread The Lord's Supper Click to View Refuted: The ... The church at Corinth had made communion into a common meal: 1 Cor 11:20-22 b. We likewise must partake of the Lord's Supper properly: 1 Cor 11:27 3. Contrary to the practice of many denominations, eating common meals while assembled is forbidden: 1 Cor 11:34 B. Term's ... Book 2, Ch 3, 18) The connection between the Lord's Supper and the Jewish Passover as an antitype, is powerful and obvious in scripture. ... D. The Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches are divided over exactly whose "apostolic church tradition" is correct: 1. "In the 11th century the ... writings of the "church fathers" regarding whether the bread is unleavened vs. leavened, and the juice is grape juice or leavened wine. ... rare and great treat for the Christians at Troas, their meeting was not, especially, to hear Paul, but to break bread, as was their usual custom. ... ... https://www.bible.ca/ntx-communion.htm

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Trinity Attackers refuted! (Watchtower's: Should You Believe ... ... The Catholic Encyclopedia also comments: "In Scripture there is as yet no single term by which the Three Divine Persons are denoted ... The very next sentence says, "In the immediate post New Testament period of the Apostolic Fathers no attempt was made to work out the ... but even earlier by the consistent worship of God in a trinitarian pattern and the practice of baptism into the threefold name of God." ... Eliade specifically includes the Arian view as a later development and not the original apostolic faith! But what is worse, notice the following quote from a source used by the ... the church being governed from one world headquarters did not form part of the apostles' preaching, as this is reported in the New Testament, but first developed in 606 AD in Rome. (1300 years before Brooklyn which was 1800 years too late to be in the Bible!) Click here ... Acts 2:38; 16:33. But in fact, it was the custom of the day for civil leaders to delay their baptisms till the end of their lives. Yes ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-frames-start-page-SYBTT.htm

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Official creed of the Orthodox church New Rome, Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople Click to View Organization and hierarchy of Autocephalous churches in fellowship with the Patriarch of Constantinople. Orthodox Creed Orthodox Catechism Click Your Choice Go To Start Orthodox Creed Orthodox Catechism ... Apostolic succession is an indispensable factor in preserving Church unity. Those in the succession are accountable to it, and are responsible to ensure all teaching and practice in the Church is in keeping with Her apostolic foundations. Mere personal conviction that one's teaching is correct can never ... Church Abroad toward ecumenism has always been of a sober, strictly Orthodox character, in accordance with the teachings of the Holy Fathers. ... Many cults claim the Bible as their basis, but they alter the historic interpretation of Scripture to persist in their own idea. Cults may do ... wife, as he was only the betrothed of the Blessed Virgin Mary, as Jerome and others accept, or of Clopas and the sister of the Mother of God, ... ... https://www.bible.ca/cr-Orthodox.htm

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What Early Christians believed about USING INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC ... DICKINSON "In view of the controversies over the use of instrumental music in worship, which have been so violent in the British and American ... was condemned." ... "Many of the fathers, speaking of religious songs, made no mention of instruments; others, like Clement of Alexandria and St. ... Such a command would be entirely out of harmony with the New Testament." (J.H. Garrison, Christian Church) GIRADEAU "The church, although lapsing more and more into deflection from the truth and into a corrupting of apostolic practice, had not ... "signing with the cross in baptism," etc., are warranted by Scripture." ... "It may be interesting to note that this church (First Baptist ... SHAFF (new) "The custom of organ accompaniment did not become general among Protestants until the eighteenth century." (The New Shaff-Herzogg ... (Earl West, Search for the Ancient Order, Vol. 2, pp. 80, 81) By Steven Rudd Go Back to last menu Click Your Choice Go To Start: WWW.BIBLE.CA ... https://www.bible.ca/H-music.htm

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The Catholic Church did not Give the world The Bible! Click to View We Speak truth in LOVE tell us if we have misrepresented Catholic Faith Click to View Did The Catholic Church Give Us The Bible? Catholics contend ... Then in A.D. 390, at the Council of Hippo, the Catholic Church gathered together the various books which claimed to be scripture, passed on the merits ... for fifteen hundred years." (The Faith of Our Fathers, p. 68). "When were all these writings put together? The Catholic Church put all of them in one book between the years 350 and 405." (A Catechism for Adults, p. 10). ... The church of 390 took communion under both kinds because that was the prevailing practice until it was formally abolished in 1416 A.D. (See Lives and ... Thus, the New Testament books were in existence in their present form at the close of the apostolic age. As a matter of fact, the apostles themselves ... in the 2nd century in 375 the Gothic Version was translated by Ufilas Jerome stated that in his work of revising the Old Latin he used a Greek Bible ... ... https://www.bible.ca/cath-bible-origin.htm

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The ministry of Dr. Hugh Ross exposed If you have any comments or reviews of the booklet, we would be happy to hear from you. Please write to us. With God's Blessings, Chris Chui, Ph. D. Click to View A ... Naturally, he considers the days of creation to be long ages. As is to be expected, and as is common practice among those who espouse long ages of cosmic and ... At a wedding in Cana He turned water into wine instantly John 2:1-10). After referring to Josephus, Dr. Ross cites examples of heroic "early church fathers" who believed ... He believed the task of commentators is to penetrate alleged allegories of Scripture in order to find the true meaning. This method opens the way for private ... But still this makes Him subordinate to the Father, being at first on the same level as created beings. For this Jerome, among others, considered Origen to be the ... Charles Scribner's Sons. 1929. p. 11. 9 Gardner, Eldon J. History of Life Science. Burgess. 1960. p. 93. 10 St. Irenaeus. Proof of Apostolic Preaching. Translated ... ... https://www.bible.ca/tracks/b-hugh-ross.htm

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"Seventh-day Adventism Renounced" by D. M. Canright, 1914 ... Barnabas, A.D. 120. This epistle was highly prized in the earliest churches, read in some of them as part of scripture, and is found in the oldest manuscript of the scriptures, NAMELY THE ... Within a century after the death of the last of the apostles we find the observance of the first day of the week, under the name of the Lord's day, established as a universal custom of the ... there is no higher living authority, says: "The universal and uncontradicted Sunday observance in the second century can only be explained by the fact that it had its root in apostolic practice." History of the Christian church, Vol. ... I know that Seventh-day Adventist ministers generally feel as I did, for we often referred to these testimonies of the fathers and the effect they had in debate. Of course, the great body ... The old feeling of uneasiness on this point is entirely gone. I feel that so far as the evidence of history is concerned, my feet stand on solid ground. Click to View Chapter XII - Sabbatarian ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/7-Seventh-day-Adventism-RENOUNCED-by-D-M-Canright.htm

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Encyclopedia of Pentecostal ministries and preachers ... Perhaps this is an important connection between Hinduism and Kundalini Pentecostalism. Perhaps this is where Branham, one of the fathers of the Third Wave ... He taught that the Church would be fully restored to apostolic authority and power. His beliefs coupled with those of Edward Irving formed the initial ... Pastors and Worship Leaders will have the opportunity to practice what they learned both in the workshop and the evening session ministry time"), a ... Hill, Steve Click to View Head evangelist at "Brownsville Outpouring" Assembly Of God Church in Pensacola, FL To see video of antics clicking here. Anti-intellectual, anti-doctrine: Steve Hill said "Don't leave me now ... just hang in there ... we'll get to the good stuff soon" (stopping to speak of the "anointing" every so often while teaching from Scripture.) (Revival ... or ... He rears back and with a pitching motion slays the entire choir with one toss. That's power, yells Benny. POWER! ... Hinn takes off his custom tailored ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/tongues-encyclopedia-pentecostal-preachers.htm

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Officail creed of Dutch/Christian/Canadian Reformed Churches Dutch Reformed Christian Reformed Canadian Reformed Click one of the following to view: The Heidelberg Catechism The Belgic Confession The ... The Heidelberg Catechism The Belgic Confession The Canons of Dort Top of page Click Your Choice Go To Start: WWW.BIBLE.CA . . THE BELGIC ... The church may certainly read these books and learn from them as far as they agree with the canonical books. But they do not have such power ... Much less can they detract from the authority of the other holy books. ARTICLE 7: THE SUFFICIENCY OF SCRIPTURE We believe that this Holy ... may have been-- equal to the divine writings; nor may we put custom, nor the majority, nor age, nor the passage of time or persons, nor ... such as Marcion, Mani, Praxeas, Sabellius, Paul of Samosata, Arius, and others like them, who were rightly condemned by the holy fathers. ... And who will be heard more readily than God's own dearly beloved Son? So then, sheer unbelief has led to the practice of dishonoring the ... ... https://www.bible.ca/cr-CRef-Belgic.htm

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Is the RC church infallible and unable to make errors? Click to View The Pope and the Catholic Church are quite fallible. Catholics say Yes! Truth says No! Is The Catholic Church ... There is no reason or Scripture to support the claim that a continuous, unbroken succession of Christians is necessary to ... with immersion, frequent mention of which are made in the writings of the early Church Fathers." (Question Box, p. 366). ... "Catholic controversialists soon proved to the Protestants that to be logical and consistent they must admit unwritten ... "Ecclesiastical custom with regard to the administration of Baptism has undergone a change in the course of history. Whereas the early Church baptized adults only, the baptism of children soon became the usual practice." (Pastoral Medicine, pp. 32-33). "Where in the fourth and fifth centuries the doctrine of original sin became better known, the practice of infant ... In view of the foregoing, consider the ridiculousness of the following "official" claims: "Has the Catholic Church ever ... ... https://www.bible.ca/cath-church-infallible.htm

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Sola Scriptura: Apostolic Fathers used scripture as the primary ... Sola Scriptura and the Apostolic Fathers! Apostolic Fathers used scripture as the primary defense against false doctrine. Click to View Sola Scriptura home page Introduction: Click to View Mandatory: Apostolic Fathers Catechism Class for Catholics and Orthodox. (You must take our catechism class before you read the truths below.) When a Roman Catholic and Orthodox reads the quotes we have compiled, he will be quite surprised. They will see that the Fathers talked about the scriptures in a way that is different from their own church leaders. It is clear that the "Apostolic Fathers" always maintained a concept of "apostolic tradition" in distinction from the scripture. But ... 200 AD: Tertullian 200 AD: Hippolytus 250 AD: Cyprian 325 AD: Athanasius 350 AD: Hilary of Poitiers 360 AD: Cyril of Jerusalem 370 AD: Basil 375 AD: Gregory of Nyssa 400 AD: Jerome 405 AD: John Chrysostom 425 AD: Augustine 425 AD: John Cassian 450 AD: Theodoret C. Apostolic Fathers: Five kinds of Tradition. ... ... https://www.bible.ca/sola-scriptura-apostolic-fathers.htm

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The Dugger-Porter Debate on Sunday as the Lord's Day Click to View Formal Debates Saturday or Sunday? Debate #3 A.N. Dugger Vs. W. Curtis Porter Buy This Book Proposition #1: ... Negative: A.N. Dugger Church of God (Seventh Day) Note: This is a quality debate, over 40 years old, where both parties conducted themselves honorably and finished the debate. The Dugger-Porter Debate Buy This Book Click to View Click to View A. ... out of your houses on the Sabbath day, neither do ye any work, but hallow ye the Sabbath day as I commanded your fathers..... ... He has not changed, and is no respecter of persons. We find Jesus keeping the Sabbath, and making it his custom to use that ... There is no need to argue that the Sabbath day is "not our own" but "belongs to God" unless he will give a text of Scripture ... all that God gave through Moses, and my friend should offer animal sacrifice and burn incense and practice circumcision. ... No argument in favor of first day observance by the apostolic church has been slighted, or intentionally overlooked. There ... ... https://www.bible.ca/7-debate-porter-dugger.htm

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Sola Scriptura: Apostolic Fathers Catechism Class for Catholics ... Sola Scriptura: Apostolic Fathers Catechism Class for Catholics and Orthodox. Apostolic Fathers used scripture as the primary defense against false doctrine. Click to View Sola Scriptura home page Click to View Apostolic Fathers: Dates they lived and other information. Click to View Apostolic Fathers: Five kinds of Tradition. Click to View Mandatory: Apostolic Fathers Catechism Class ... Yes, the word "tradition" is used by the Fathers to refer to things distinct from scripture, but as you will see, Catholics and Orthodox defenders don't even practice them today! Catechism Question #2: Why is merely pointing out the fact that some of the apostolic fathers mention "oral tradition" in ... But now for the devastating blow to these traditionalist defenders. (And this is way more profound than they will initially comprehend.) Notice that although the church Fathers clearly taught things that were not in the Bible, they still upheld the principle of sola Scriptura because they truly (but ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/sola-scriptura-apostolic-fathers-catechism-class-for-catholics-and-orthodox.htm

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Sabbathgate 1888 by Kerry Wynne ... the oblation of the sacrifice, the gift of the holy food" (Apostolic Constitutions 2:7:60 [A.D. 400]). 17. John Chrysostom [A.D. ... Jews, it should come as no surprise that this shadowy ordinance would end when the Reality steps into full view at the cross. ... Church leaders to avoid saddling the new Gentile converts with a burden that neither they nor their Jewish fathers were able to bear. Once the decision was made not to require the Gentile converts to be circumcised, the Sabbath question was settled forever. There was no chance for the Sabbath question to surface again without first reviving the practice of ... This understanding helps us to see why the requirement to keep the Jewish Sabbath was never indicated in any Scripture that ... together for worship on Sunday dates back to apostolic times, but details of the actual development of the custom are not clear. ... conscience by paying plenty of tithe to keep the hired-archy gainfully employed.... Click to View Go To Start: WWW.BIBLE.CA ... https://www.bible.ca/7-sabbathgate-1888ad-Kerry-Wynne.htm

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Personal Evangelism 101 ... Royce Chandler (minister) 988-0791 Daryl Mathis 987-2834 Doug Hoffman (elder) 985-6037 Denny Halberg (deacon) 626-1617 Jerome Harris (deacon) 221-1822 Buddy Parks ... and the extraordinary sanctity that was attributed to them." "...the custom of teaching their religious doctrines by images, actions, signs, and other ... we begin to speak of things not found in scripture. We might as well close the Bibles during our discussions of those sorts of topics. "...if we would preserve the unity of the church, and keep out corruptions and innovations of every kind, we must confine ourselves to the teachings of the apostles, and to the practice of the apostolic church. ... There are two attitudes toward the silence of scripture: A. Denominational view - "We can practice things not found in the New Testament. We must avoid only those ... This can be illustrated well by a "Figure and Ground" perception test that I use in my communication's classes. (SEE BELOW). . . Click to View . . What do the ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/evangelism/e-brent-hunters-evangelism-101.htm

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Sola Scriptura Creedalists: The Apostolic Fathers expected all ... Sola Scriptura Creedalists: The Apostolic Fathers expected all to correctly interpret scripture, unassisted by the Holy Spirit and apart from the church! Click to View To the horror of Roman Catholic and Orthodox defenders, the apostolic fathers expected the heretics to correctly interpret scripture even though they were outside the church organization. Click to View To the horror of Protestant Calvinists, the apostolic fathers did not believe the Holy Spirit guided them to correctly interpret scripture but felt scripture was ... B. Master index of the Fathers on Sola Scriptura: Apostolic Fathers: Dates they lived and other information. 180 AD: Irenaeus 180 AD: Clement of Alexandria 200 AD: Tertullian 200 AD: Hippolytus 250 AD: Cyprian 325 AD: Athanasius 350 AD: Hilary of Poitiers 360 AD: Cyril of Jerusalem 370 AD: Basil 375 AD: Gregory of Nyssa 400 AD: Jerome 405 AD: John Chrysostom 425 AD: Augustine 425 AD: John Cassian 450 AD: Theodoret By Steve Rudd Click to View Go ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/sola-scriptura-apostolic-fathers-bible-understandable.htm

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Sola Scriptura and the Apostolic Fathers: 370 AD: Basil Sola Scriptura: The Bible alone is enough! Apostolic Fathers used scripture as the primary defense against false doctrine. Click to View Sola Scriptura home page Click to View Apostolic Fathers: Dates they lived and other information. Click to View Apostolic Fathers: Five kinds of Tradition. Click to View Mandatory: Apostolic Fathers Catechism Class for Catholics and ... They are charging me with innovation, and base their charge on my confession of three hypostases, and blame me for asserting one Goodness, one Power, one Godhead. In this they are not wide of the truth, for I do so assert. Their complaint is that their custom does not accept this, and that Scripture does not ... For the Roman Catholics who refuse to believe that such words could fall from the lips of a Catholic bishop, the Pope describes Basil as, "one of the most distinguished Doctors of the Church". One side of the debate cried, "my tradition is right". The other side replied, "No, our tradition is right". But ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/sola-scriptura-apostolic-fathers-basil.htm

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The Samaritans: 720 BC The pagan half-Jews of the Old Testament ... ... Genesis 34:6 Click to View 3. In 1930 BC, Jacob after he had fled from Laban back to Canaan, he built an altar at the place he camped "before the city of ... among them, and behold, they kill them because they do not know the custom of the god of the land." (2 Kings 17:24-26) b. "they approached ... Samaritans continue to practice a mix of YHWH worship mixed with idolatry. iii. "So while these nations feared the Lord, they also served their idols; their children likewise and their grandchildren, as their fathers did, so they do to this day." (2 Kings 17:41) iv. ... Some changes were irrelevant in the overall picture b. Replicated scripture into new locations: i. Some changes were mere additions of Bible ... In the parable of the Tares, the Devil is the counterfeiter of religion. Today many churches are counterfeits of the true church you read about ... But Eusebius and Jerome prefer to follow an anti-Samaritan location. The Madaba map hesitates between the two opinions and so locates Gebal ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/archeology/bible-archeology-samaritans.htm

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Sola Scriptura and the Apostolic Fathers: 200 AD: Hippolytus Apostolic Fathers used scripture as the primary defense against false doctrine. Click to View Sola Scriptura home page Click to View Apostolic Fathers: Dates they lived and other information. Click to View Apostolic Fathers: Five kinds of Tradition. Click to View Mandatory: Apostolic Fathers Catechism Class for Catholics and Orthodox. 200 AD: Hippolytus: "There is, brethren, one God, the knowledge of whom we gain from the Holy Scriptures, and from no other source. For just as a man, if he wishes to be skilled in the wisdom of this world, will find himself unable to get at it in any other way than by mastering the dogmas of philosophers, so all of us who wish to practice ... This also proves that although Hippolytus may also have recognized the witness of church tradition, he saw that tradition was ultimately derived from scripture, since none of the inspired apostles were alive to consult with. And certain other (heretics), contentious by nature, (and) wholly uniformed as ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/sola-scriptura-apostolic-fathers-hippolytus.htm

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Sola Scriptura and the Apostolic Fathers: 450 AD: Theodoret Apostolic Fathers used scripture as the primary defense against false doctrine. Click to View Sola Scriptura home page Click to View Apostolic Fathers: Dates they lived and other information. Click to View Apostolic Fathers: Five kinds of Tradition. Click to View Mandatory: Apostolic Fathers Catechism Class for Catholics and Orthodox. 450 AD: Theodoret: "I follow the laws and rules of the apostles. I test my teaching by applying to it, like a rule and measure, the faith laid down by the holy and blessed Fathers at Nicaea. If any one maintain that I hold any contrary opinion, let him accuse me face to face; let him not slander me in my absence." (Theodoret, letters, 40) Click to View As we have seen from Athanasius (Athanasius, de Synodis, Part 1, 6), the church viewed the every phrase of the Nicene creed as being based directly upon scripture, not some unwritten oral tradition. So when Theodoret about 125 years later that he follows the "laws and rules of the apostles" AND "the ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/sola-scriptura-apostolic-fathers-theodoret.htm

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The New Testament Jewish Sects: Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes ... ... We have a few scattered references to them in the Gospels, including the fact that they controlled the high priesthood in apostolic times: ... The Pharisees were right in trying to keep Scripture applicable, but were wrong in their method by making tradition superior or equal to the ... That is why, while we tend to label such beliefs A liberal@ and think of the Sadducees as the liberals of their day, many scholars view the ... A conservatives.@ Mark 7:5. Like the Catholics adhere to the teachings of the church fathers, the Pharisees held to the teachings of their fathers. ... They took the A this is what we have always believed@ course. (Cf. John 9:13-17. He does not practice what we have always practiced ... By the time of Jesus, it had become the custom in the synagogue for someone to read from the Law and then give an interpretation. Jesus ... Merrill F. Unger, Archeology and the New Testament (Grand Rapids, Michigan: Zondervan Publishing House, 1962), 44-48. Oscar Miles Click Your ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/d-jewish-sects-pharisees-sadducees-essenes-zealots.htm

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Sola Scriptura and the Apostolic Fathers: 180 AD: Irenaeus Sola Scriptura: The Bible alone is enough! Apostolic Fathers used scripture as the primary defense against false doctrine. Click to View Sola Scriptura home page Click to View Apostolic Fathers: Dates they lived and other information. Click to View Apostolic Fathers: Five kinds of Tradition. Click to View Mandatory: Apostolic Fathers Catechism Class for Catholics and ... This should send shivers up the spine of every Roman Catholic and Orthodox because it is a clear interpretation of 1 Tim 3:15 where the same expression is used of the church. Obviously then, Irenaeus viewed that the church came second in authority under the scriptures. It is also clear that you can make no ... You outright refute them in the scriptures, then the Catholic will reply, "you cannot understand the Bible without our church traditions". When you point out the fact that not only does the Orthodox practice contradict scripture, it contradicts the tradition of history (apostolic fathers), they "consent ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/sola-scriptura-apostolic-fathers-irenaeus.htm

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