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151: Sola Scriptura: "Paul quoted an early hymn from tradition in ...
False arguments that Catholics and Orthodox use to prove oral extra-scriptural church tradition are refuted. Click to View Sola Scriptura home page Click to View More Pro-Oral Church tradition arguments refuted! Click to View "Paul quoted an early hymn from tradition in Ephesians 5:14." For this reason it says, "Awake, sleeper, And arise from the dead, And Christ will shine on you." Ephesians 5:14 Click to View Refutation of the false Catholic & Orthodox tradition argument: "Paul quoted an early hymn from tradition in Ephesians 5:14, 'Awake O sleeper'" Introduction: Paul got the phrase directly from the Holy Spirit. Inspiration means that the prophecy did not come by an act of human will. We are offended that anyone would suggest the authors of the Bible rely upon human records and not the Holy Spirit. "no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God. (2 Pet 1:20-21) There are several Old Testament passages that seem to directly ... ...
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152: Sola Scriptura: The prophecy in Matthew 2:23, that Jesus would ...
Church tradition arguments refuted! Click to View "The prophecy in Matthew 2:23, that Jesus would be called a Nazarene, comes from oral tradition only, not scripture." He "came and lived in a city called Nazareth. This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophets: "He shall be called a Nazarene." (Matthew 2:23) Click to View Refutation of the false Catholic & Orthodox tradition argument: "The prophecy in Matthew 2:23, that Jesus would be called a Nazarene, comes from oral tradition only, not scripture." The prophecy in Matthew 2:23, that Jesus would be called a Nazarene, came directly from scripture, not oral tradition. Matthew got the prophecy directly from the Holy Spirit. Inspiration means that the prophecy did not come by an act of human will. We are offended that anyone would suggest the authors of the Bible rely upon human records and not the Holy Spirit. "no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God. (2 Pet ... ...
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153: Ellen G. White found guilty of plagiarism (copying)
Click to View Ellen G. White Prophet? or Plagiarist! The White Lie! By Walter T. Rea Chapter 4: Gone - but Not Forgotten by Walter Rea Click to View Order Walter Rea's book: "The White Lie" The world will "little note nor ... There is no evidence that the work that contained it all, Spiritual Gifts (volumes one and two), became a best seller. 1 It is appropriate to point out, in defense of Gifts, that the Adventist organization had not yet perfected its system of printing presses, colporteurs, conference Book and Bible houses, church propaganda organs, ... in support of her views about the "shut door" and contradictions on vision matters. 2 In later printings, both A Word and another paper called Present Truth (issued between July 1849 and November 1850) were to go through some stages of revision that would cause misgivings in the years to come. 3 It is only fair to hasten to explain that all this rearranging of history and theology was new to Ellen. Since God did not give her much ... ...
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154: Reasons why the Apocrypha does NOT belong in the Bible!
Roman Catholic and Orthodox Faith Examined and The Apocrypha "The Jewish canon, or the Hebrew Bible, was universally received, while the Apocrypha added to the Greek version of the Septuagint were only in a general way accounted as books suitable for church reading, and thus as a middle class between canonical and strictly apocryphal (pseudonymous) writings. And justly; for those books, while they have great historical value, and fill the gap ... It teaches immoral practices, such as lying, suicide, assassination and magical incantation. The apocryphal books themselves make reference to what we call the Silent 400 years, where there was no prophets of God to write inspired materials. And they laid up the stones in ... quoted in the New Testament. Not even once! This proves the Catholic and Orthodox apologists wrong when they try to defend the apocrypha in the Bible. The apocrypha does not belong in the Bible because It IS not inspired. Steve Rudd Click to View Go To Start: WWW.BIBLE.CA ...
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155: Sola Scriptura: Scripture tells us John wrote the fourth Gospel ...
False arguments that Catholics and Orthodox use to prove oral extra-scriptural church tradition are refuted. Click to View Sola Scriptura home page Click to View More Pro-Oral Church tradition arguments refuted! Click to View "We only know the identity of John as the writer of the fourth gospel from tradition." Click to View Refutation of the false Catholic & Orthodox tradition argument: "We only know the identity of John as the writer of the fourth ... by its own inspired, God given authority, determined the 27 book canon. They claim that Rome determined Hebrews was inspired, yet never could say for certain who wrote the book. If knowing who wrote the fourth gospel is so important, they why is knowing who wrote Hebrews any less important? B. Apostle John wrote the fourth gospel: "The disciple whom Jesus loved = John" Scripture does not explicitly say who wrote the fourth gospel, but scripture does clearly reveal that John is the author when you take all the Bible verses together. ... ...
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156: Rich man and Lazarus in Hades: Luke 16:19-31: Neo-Sadduceeian ...
orthodox doctrine of eternal punishment that the opponents of the doctrine are hard pressed to know what to do with it." (Buis) Exposition of Luke 16:19-31 The place where departed conscious spirits of the dead await judgment. click here for detailed outline on Hades See what early Christians said about Hades Rich man and Lazarus: Luke 16:19-31 (Click on picture to see high resolution) Click to View Only four views of Luke 16:19-31 Interpretation/view Who believes this view? The Bible Truth! Word Picture, pre-resurrection, view Click here Bible Believers! ... experience torment and the righteous bliss." (Death and The Afterlife, Robert Morey, p. 84,85) Just as God Himself is described in the same kind of symbolic "earthly" word pictures or "anthropomorphisms" ... The popular acceptance of this scenario is reflected in the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus... This view of hades as a place of torment for the wicked eventually entered into the Christian Church and influenced ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/su-hades-luke16.htm
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157: Why are most Jehovah's Witnesses former Roman Catholics?
Roman Catholics and Jehovah's Witnesses share exactly these same qualities: Centralized World-wide church government from which all official doctrine comes. The Pope and the Governing body. A city where world headquarters permanently resides: Rome, Italy and Brooklyn, NY, USA Authority of this "world organization" is not to be questioned. Both consider God to be the head of the world organization. Both the Pope and the Governing body both claim inspiration. Both organizations are "spirit directed" by God. A simple definition of both is as follows: "Definition of a Catholic/Jw: 'Someone who accepts ... Jw's employ exactly the same hermeneutic but call it by a different name: "New Light" Both teach the organization is supreme over the Bible rather than the Bible being supreme over the ... Click to View FACT: The vast majority of Jehovah's Witnesses were former Catholics. They had very little real change to make. They just switched organizations and creeds!!! Now you know why. Why ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/cath-JW-converting.htm
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158: The Apostolic Fathers viewed oral tradition as a duplicate of ...
"So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us." (2 Thessalonians 2:15) Click to View Sola Scriptura home page Introduction: It is true that the ... Therefore, Christians who advocate Sola Scriptura take the identical view of oral tradition of the apostles, as the Church Fathers did. This is most troubling to Roman Catholic and Orthodox defenders of an oral tradition that is distinct from scripture. The Apostolic Fathers in fact viewed oral ... A. The Bible texts that support oral revelation as tradition: Then the Lord stretched out His hand and touched my mouth, and the Lord said to me, "Behold, I have put My words in your mouth. Jeremiah 1:9. This is a classic Bible ... with the apostolic churches-those moulds and original sources of the faith must be reckoned for truth, as undoubtedly containing that which the (said) churches received from the apostles, the apostles from Christ, Christ from God. ... ...
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159: Jehovah's Witness New Convert Start Here!
to believe "old light"! click here to see Click to View Click to View Amazing things the Watchtower taught New converts 25 years ago! An informed Witness, is soon to be an Ex-WITNESS!!! Enter the information age! Click to View DEFINITION: What is a Jehovah's Witness??? Click to View Witnesses forbidden to think for themselves Click to View Jehovah's Witnesses are under strict information control Click to View Defend yourself new Convert! Give these quotes to your superiors if they catch you here! Click to View What New Converts have not been told about their own Organization Click to View Books for further Research Click to View We speak the truth in Love... If Witnesses have the truth and nothing to fear from self-investigation, why are they officially forbidden from reading any materials that cross-examine their doctrines? Click to View Click to View Click to View Are Jehovah's Witnesses merely a replica of the Roman Catholic church? Click to View Go To Start: WWW.BIBLE.CA ...
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160: Sola Scriptura: Paul got the names 'Jannes and Jambres' in 2 ...
In the very same chapter in which Paul extols the value of the Scriptures, he himself quotes non-scriptural tradition. If he believed that the Scriptures are self-sufficient, then he was not very consistent." (THE WAY: What Every Protestant Should Know About the Orthodox Church, Clark Carlton, 1997, p 123) Click to View Refutation of the false Catholic & Orthodox tradition argument: "Paul got the names 'Jannes and Jambres' in 2 Timothy 3:8-9, from oral tradition." Sola Scriptura: Paul got the names 'Jannes and Jambres' in 2 Timothy 3:8-9, from the Holy Spirit! Paul got the names directly from the Holy Spirit. Inspiration means that the prophecy did not come by an act of human will. We are offended that anyone would suggest the authors of the Bible rely upon human records and not the Holy Spirit. "no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God. (2 Pet 1:20-21) In 405 AD, John Chrysostom concluded that the names came from direct ... ...
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161: The Apostolic Fathers believed in expedient, optional tradition
"So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us." (2 Thessalonians 2:15) Click to View Sola Scriptura home page Introduction: ... Roman Catholic and Orthodox "Classical Reformation" apologists have a great deal of difficulty explaining why this "oral tradition" should not be followed, since they have only one category of tradition and it must be followed. Tradition #3: Expedient tradition. (Roman 14:5) A. Expedient Tradition exists in every church today: Today, every local church on earth has "expedient ... sung how much scripture is read and which scriptures are read if the worship service should start with a prayer or a song The day of "mid week bible study", if the local church decides to even have one. ... Although the Catholics and Orthodox fight over whose liturgy is the apostolic tradition, the truth is, no such uniform tradition ever existed. God deliberately left these liturgical choices up to each ... ...
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162: Anglo/British-Israelism: A DETAILED REFUTATION
Click to View Anglo-Israelism British-Israelism Pre-millennialism As popularized by many including Herbert W. Armstrong of the World Wide Church of God WCG Utterly Refuted! Pictured above is the old coronation chair in Westminster Abby, London England. Under it lies a stone which British/Anglo-Israelites imaginatively and falsely claim was brought to England by the prophet Jeremiah! Does History Support The Claim That The Anglo-Saxon Races Are The Ten Tribes Of Israel? Does The Bible Teach That They Are God's Modern Covenant ... Their theoretical views are completely contrary to ethnological history bearing on the origin of the British people and the Anglo-Saxon race, the facts of which the Anglo-Israel authors have the bold audacity to dispute and deny. ... How much must the Bible "intimate" a thing to teach it? And how "strong" must the "proof" of a thing be to prove it? The Roman Catholic church claims that the "Bible and history" teach that Peter was the first pope-the Bible ... ...
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163: Sola Scriptura: The Holy Spirit does not guide us to understand ...
Illumination of the Holy Spirit to understand the Bible is a false doctrine and contrary to "sola Scriptura": Most Protestants are as bad a Catholics and Orthodox Click to View The Holy Spirit gave us the Bible and we can understand it as any other book. Why can we understand newspapers, but not the Bible without the Holy Spirit? This false doctrine makes God incapable of writing to be understood, while men can be understood in the newspaper. It also makes all books on earth understandable without the Holy Spirit, except for the Bible, which we are, according to this false doctrine, prevented from understanding until the Holy Spirit illuminates the meaning for us! Sola Scriptura home page I. Roman Catholic and Orthodox ... After all, Calvinists and Arminians cannot both be right; all the dialectic in the world cannot reconcile two completely irreconcilable doctrines. (THE WAY: What Every Protestant Should Know About the Orthodox Church, Clark Carlton, 1997, p 81) II. Protestant/... ...
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164: Sola Scriptura and the Apostolic Fathers: 180 AD: Irenaeus
Sola Scriptura: The Bible alone is enough! Apostolic Fathers used scripture as the primary defense against false doctrine. Click to View Sola Scriptura home page Click to View Apostolic Fathers: Dates they lived and other information. Click to View Apostolic Fathers: Five kinds of Tradition. Click to View Mandatory: Apostolic Fathers Catechism Class for Catholics and Orthodox. 180 AD: Irenaeus: "We have learned from none others the plan of our salvation, than from those through whom the Gospel has come down to us, which they did at one time proclaim in public, and, at a later period, by the will of God, handed down to us in the Scriptures, to be the ... This should send shivers up the spine of every Roman Catholic and Orthodox because it is a clear interpretation of 1 Tim 3:15 where the same expression is used of the church. Obviously then, Irenaeus viewed that the church came second in authority under the scriptures. It is also clear that you can make no change from what the ... ...
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165: The $200 Text: A Written Debate Concerning the Sabbath
Click to View How it all began! Mr. Smith places an ad in the newspaper to which Mr Frost replies. LAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL Wednesday, December 14, 1949 $200 FOR ONE TEXT I hereby offer $200 for one Bible text from the Bible -- either the King James (Protestant) Version or the Douay (Catholic) Version -- stating that Sunday -- the first day of the week should be observed by Christians as a day of rest and worship. A text meeting any one of the 7 specifications below will be sufficient to claim the $200. SIGNED: DAVID F. SMITH, Pastor Seventh-day Adventist Church 1. ONE TEXT stating that SUNDAY is the SABBATH or the ... Deuteronomy 5:15, "And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the Lord thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: ... But he didn't give the text that I requested: 1. That names the Seventh-day Adventist Church? Is he honest in promoting an organization unknown to the pages of God's Word, that exists ... ...
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166: Sola Scriptura: The story of Michael and the Devil over Moses ...
Church tradition arguments refuted! Click to View "The story of Michael and the Devil over where Moses' body was buried in Jude 9, comes from oral tradition." "But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him a railing judgment, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"" (Jude 9) Click to View Refutation of the false Catholic & Orthodox tradition argument: "The story of Michael and the Devil over Moses in Jude 9, comes from oral tradition." Sola Scriptura: The story of Michael and the Devil over Moses body in Jude 9, does not prove the need for extra-Biblical oral traditions. Jude got the story directly from the Holy Spirit. Inspiration means that the prophecy did not come by an act of human will. We are offended that anyone would suggest the authors of the Bible rely upon human records and not the Holy Spirit. "no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God. ... ...
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167: Sola Scriptura: Scripture recorded the prophets were persecuted ...
Sola Scriptura home page Click to View More Pro-Oral Church tradition arguments refuted! Click to View "Only oral tradition knew that all the prophets were persecuted in Acts 7:52." "Which one of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? They killed those who had previously announced the coming of the Righteous One, whose betrayers and murderers you have now become; you who received the law as ordained by angels, and yet did not keep it." Acts 7:52-53 Click to View Refutation of the false Catholic & Orthodox tradition argument: "Only oral tradition knew that all the prophets were persecuted in Acts 7:52." Scripture recorded the prophets were persecuted in Acts 7:52 The Lord, the God of their fathers, sent word to them again ... is recorded in the Old Testament in great detail. There is no need to appeal to oral tradition, when you have specific Bible verses. Click to View More Pro-Oral Church tradition arguments refuted! Click to View More Anti-Sola Scriptura arguments ... ...
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168: Sola Scriptura and the Apostolic Fathers: 200 AD: Hippolytus
Sola Scriptura: The Bible alone is enough! Apostolic Fathers used scripture as the primary defense against false doctrine. Click to View Sola Scriptura home page Click to View Apostolic Fathers: Dates they lived and other information. Click to View Apostolic Fathers: Five kinds of Tradition. Click to View Mandatory: Apostolic Fathers Catechism Class for Catholics and Orthodox. 200 AD: Hippolytus: "There is, brethren, one God, the knowledge of whom we gain from the Holy Scriptures, and from no other source. For just as a man, if he wishes to ... refutation to the modern Roman Catholic and Orthodox view of tradition. Although Hippolytus was fully aware that the gospel was first preached 100% orally through the apostles and prophets even before the first book of the New Testament was written, in 200 AD, he recognized that scripture was the only source of authority. This also proves that although Hippolytus may also have recognized the witness of church tradition, he saw that tradition ... ...
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169: Sola Scriptura: Scripture tells us Elijah's drought was three ...
False arguments that Catholics and Orthodox use to prove oral extra-scriptural church tradition are refuted. Click to View Sola Scriptura home page Click to View More Pro-Oral Church tradition arguments refuted! Click to View "Only oral tradition gave the duration of ... James 5:17 "Now Elijah the Tishbite, who was of the settlers of Gilead, said to Ahab, "As the Lord, the God of Israel lives, before whom I stand, surely there shall be neither dew nor rain these years, except by my word." 1 Kings 17:1 Click to View Refutation of the false Catholic & Orthodox tradition argument: "Only oral tradition gave the duration of Elijah's drought in James 5:17 as 3 1/2 years." Scripture recorded the duration of the drought. James got the 3 1/2 year figure directly from the Holy Spirit. Inspiration means that the prophecy did not come by an act of human will. We are offended that anyone would suggest the authors of the Bible rely upon human records and not the Holy Spirit. "no prophecy was ... ...
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170: Sola Scriptura: Mistakes made by the Apostolic Fathers based ...
Click to View Sola Scriptura home page Proverbs 8:22 "The created wisdom woman" The first historical reference to wrongly interpreting Prov 8:22 as referring to Christ is 150 AD, Justin Martyr, in Dialogue, Ch CXXIX. Widsom in Prov 8:22 is a woman! God went out of His way to make sure we didn't apply it to Christ! To show the folly of this literal interpretation of poetic language, if Jesus is Wisdom, then who is Prudence? "I, wisdom, dwell with prudence, And I find knowledge and discretion." Prov 8:12 Clark Carlton, and Orthodox defender, highlights that many of the recorded "church fathers" had ... Now, there is no question that both parties considered their positions self-evident. Everyone's interpretation of the Bible seems self-evident to himself. That does not make it self-evident to ... What it proves, is that tradition doesn't work, because most Trinitarians today, including the Roman Catholic church, do not apply Prov 8:22 to Christ any more. Although Carlton is wrong when ... ...
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171: The Apostolic Fathers referred to false doctrine as bad tradition ...
"So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us." (2 Thessalonians 2:15) Click to View Sola Scriptura home page Introduction: The Apostolic ... The fathers refer to the heretical "traditions" of the Gnostics, for example, that contradict the inspired, written and oral revelation of the apostles and prophets. The "church fathers" would point out that the Gnostic theology differed from scripture and the Gnostic tradition differed from the church's apostolic tradition. The reference to the tradition of Corbin in Mk 7:11 is particularly applicable to the Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches since they have a large number of human traditions that actually change the revealed law of God in ... Cyprian proves here that he viewed traditions of the church to be acceptable only when they agreed with the Bible and for those "traditions" that contradict scripture Cyprian says, "custom without truth is the antiquity of ... ...
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172: Apostolic fathers viewed scripture as complete and final and ...
God, not men decided the canon. This providence does not mean that church leaders were inspired in their selecting the canon, only that God had his eye on the scriptures the whole time and brought about His will to form the Bible we see today! Apostolic fathers viewed scripture as complete and final and that the age of inspiration was ended Go to: "Canon of the Bible" Home Page Apostolic fathers viewed scripture as ... Roman Catholic and Orthodox leaders view themselves as directly inspired by God. Too bad no one told them the age of inspiration ended with the apostolic age about 100 AD. 2. The Bible clearly teaches that direct divine inspiration ceased with the completion of the revelation that God intended for man in the New ... Sanders, Editors: The Canon Debate; Everett Ferguson, Factors Leading to the Selection and Closure of the New Testament Canon, p 319, 2002) By Steve Rudd: Contact the author for comments, input or corrections. Click Your Choice Go To Start: WWW.BIBLE.CA ...
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173: Lesson 22: Only The Saved Are In The Lord's Church
Click to View Lesson 22 Only The Saved Are In The Lord's Church In order to be in the one church the Lord established, those added to it by the Lord must be saved according to His requirements. In Acts 2:47 we read, "And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved." The Lord only adds the saved to His church. There are no unsaved people in His church. The Lord makes no mistakes. We are not saved just because we think or say we are. We are saved only when we have done what God has said we must do. Jesus ... We must do God's will, not man's will, to go to heaven. According to the Bible, who are the saved? Jesus is quite clear as to who the saved are. Jesus says in Mark l6:16, "He that believes and is ... As we read in Ephesians 1:22, "And He put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be head over all things to the church." The church is not to be overseen by a pope, patriarch, president, cardinals, association, convention, synod or any other organization that man has ... ...
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174: The Madaba map (mosaic floor) 542 AD St. George's Orthodox church ...
Jesus is the Son of God) Of course it is odd that this event is portrayed on the Dead Sea where no one fished, especially since the actual story happened in the Sea of Galilee. But this is a devotional map for worship. The map is famous because it is one of the oldest maps of Bible lands in the world. The Madaba map, is was clearly based upon the "Onomasticon" written by Eusebius in 325 AD, even though it differs at times from it. In 1894 AD, the Madaba map was rediscovered and is currently under the protection of the Orthodox church, who rebuilt a church over the mosaic in modern times. Click to View The map is currently in St. George's Orthodox church. This is the church that celebrates the story of St. George slaying a dragon. ... Sinai and the shape of the Red Sea. We must keep in mind that in 545 AD, the prevailing view of the Western/Latin church (Rome/Roman Catholic) was that Mt. Sinai was located at Mt. Musa in the modern Sinai peninsula. The Madaba Map is located deep into ... ...
...https://www.bible.ca/archeology/bible-archeology-exodus-madaba-map.htm
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175: A Short History of the Watchtower Organization
A Short History of the Watchtower Organization Jehovah's Witnesses trace their origins to the nineteenth century Adventist movement in America. That movement began with William Miller, a Baptist lay ... the leadership of David Koresh also trace their roots to the same Millerite source through a different line of descent. In 1935 the Seventh Day Adventist Church expelled a Bulgarian immigrant named Victor Houteff, who had begun teaching his own views on certain passages of the Revelation or Apocalypse, the last book of the Bible. Houteff set up shop on the property at Waco. ... JWs are accustomed to defending themselves against the charge that they are a new religious cult. They will often respond that theirs is the most ancient religious group, older than Catholic and Protestant ... An outsider listening to such claims quickly realizes, of course, that the sect has simply appropriated unto itself all the characters named in the Bible as faithful witnesses of God. By such extrapolation ... ...
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176: Sola Scriptura: Jews being sawn in two in Hebrews 11:37 came ...
False arguments that Catholics and Orthodox use to prove oral extra-scriptural church tradition are refuted. Click to View Sola Scriptura home page Click to View More Pro-Oral Church tradition arguments refuted! Click to View "Jews being sawn in two in Hebrews 11:37 came from tradition not scripture." ... Click to View Refutation of the false Catholic & Orthodox tradition argument: "Jews being sawn in two in Hebrews 11:37 came from tradition not scripture." Introduction: The Hebrew writer got the story directly from the Holy Spirit. Inspiration means that the prophecy did not come by an act of human will. We are offended that anyone would suggest the authors of the Bible rely upon human records and not the Holy Spirit. "no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God. (2 Pet 1:20-21) Interesting that we have a reference to King David killing his enemies by sawing them in two: "He also brought out the people who were in it, and set ... ...
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177: Trinity proof texts: Mark 2:7
Anti-Trinitarian rebuttals: Anti-Trinitarian rebuttal #1 The unbelieving Jews said this false statement of fact, not Jesus. The Bible also records the lie of the devil in Gen 2 that Eve would "surely not die". The Jews statement that "only God can ... First they are forgiven in God's mind (true divine absolution) then the apostles proclaim it. Click here to see commentaries that explain this truth in more detail. Does the watchtower organization teach that it has the power of "absolution of sins"? Jehovah's Witnesses should be ashamed at making an argument they don't even believe is true! This is the identical approach that the Roman Catholics take to prove that the "church organization" can forgive personal sin independent of the mind of God. Such a view teaches a power of the "clergy over the pew-dwellers" regarding individual salvation, the exclusive right to marry, grant communion, and baptize. Click here to see Catholic position Jewish priests already had the power to grant ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-texts-mark2-7.htm
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178: Extra-Biblical oral apostolic tradition does not exist today
Certainly the Bible was important, but to my mind it did not present all the truth necessary. To grasp all of the truth, one had to accept both the Bible and Roman Catholic Tradition. I believed that the ... Ghost dictating, have come down even unto us, transmitted as it were from hand to hand, following the example of the orthodox Fathers, receives and venerates, with an equal affection of piety, all the books of the Old and New Testaments....and also the said traditions...preserved in the Catholic Church by a continuous succession." The Question Box, Rev. Bertrand L. Conway, p. 78). ... Click to View Is Tradition a Source Of God's Revelation? The Catholic Church teaches that there are two sources of understanding God's revelation of His will. These are God's Word, the Bible, and the teachings and "We find God's revelation in Sacred Scripture and in Tradition" (New Parish Catechism, p. 11). "Sacred Tradition and sacred Scripture make up a single sacred deposit of the Word of God, ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/catholic-tradition.htm
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179: Dates: When did the apostolic fathers live?
When did the Apostolic Fathers and Apologists live? Click to View Topical Selection Click to View Power Search Click to View Click to View History of Christianity Home Page with Power search Click ... Didache w70-110 Didache means "Teaching" A reference book on moral precepts, instructions on organization of church communities, how to worship and contains the oldest prayer for communion, instructs on ... Became a Christian in Rome in 150 AD and was faithful till in 172 AD he became a Gnostic of the Encratite sect Barnabas w130 Not the Barnabas of the Bible Allegorical interpretation of the Old ... doctrine" that the Son of God is the same essence of substance of the Father Became bishop of Alexandria (328) Hilary Poitiers, France b300-d367/368 w350 Born in Poitiers Bishop of Poitiers Cyril of Jerusalem 315-387 w360 Bishop of Jerusalem in 351 Basil Caesarea Mazaca W370 b329/330-d379 Brother of Gregory of Nyssa and a friend of Gregory of Nazianzus Patriarch of Eastern monasticism ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/indexHistory-fathers.htm
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180: Jehovah's Witness leaders sympathized with Hitler
The Jehovah's Witnesses are proud of their war-record, and are today writing articles about how they were the only church resisting Hitler and his Nazi government. The basic problem is that while rank and file Jehovah's Witnesses were indeed unjustly persecuted by Hitler, the leaders in the Watchtower organization supported Nazi Germany in several key areas. They are ... Photo of Declaration of Facts 1943 Go back to Main Jehovah's Witness Index Click to View Go To Start: WWW.BIBLE.CA Click to View The letter Jehovah's Witnesses sent to Hitler: Click to View Translation of a letter ... Such actions can only described as the persecution of Christians by other Christians, since the accusations - which have led to these actions against us - primarily are of clerical, especially catholic ... Re searchers of Germany only have one goal in their work, namely to lead people back to God and to be witnesses of the Name of Jehovah, the most high, the father of our Lord and redeemer Jesus Christ. ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/jw-hitler.htm
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181: History proves Christians always met on 1st Day and not the Sabbath ...
... When they began to teach this, theologians were sent to persuade them to abandon what they called the "Jewish Sabbath." Both of them suffered a martyr death, largely due to their Sabbatarian views. Sabbatarians owe a debt of ... that the Bible teaches us to keep the Sabbath. But Seventh-day Adventists are convinced that God chose Ellen White and the modern Seventh-day Adventist movement as the medium through which to reveal and confirm this "truth" through direct inspiration and revelation. Although Adventists believe that a tiny unknown remnant has always kept the Sabbath day, (like the Seventh-day Baptist preacher mentioned above) only in the 19th century did God, through the Seventh-day Adventist church, restore in ... Click to View Guess #1: the Pope introduced Sunday worship. Click to View The Roman Catholic Pope DID NOT change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday as Sabbath keepers falsely teach. Yes Catholics do claim they changed the Sabbath, but they also claim that ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/7-history-sabbath.htm
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182: The Old Testament Canon: The council of Jamnia: 90 AD
God's providence gave us the 27 book New Testament Canon, not the church. God, not men decided the canon. This providence does not mean that church leaders were inspired in their selecting the canon, only that God had his eye on the scriptures the whole time and brought about His will to form ... don't want to be bound to following the Bible. Roman Catholics and Orthodox leaders feel that re-writing history to suggest the canon of the Jews was not fixed until after the Jewish system was abolished in 70 AD, is as absurd as it is wishful thinking. ... II. Roman Catholic and Orthodox leaders deliberately misrepresent history: 1. Misrepresentation of history: a. "THE BIBLE OF THE APOSTLES: ... The modern Jewish canon was not rigidly fixed until the third century A.D. ... It is deliberate misrepresentation of the facts of history. c. By 70 AD most of the books of the New Testament were written and in full use. By Steve Rudd: Contact the author for comments, input or corrections. Click Your ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/b-canon-council-of-jamnia.htm
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183: 3 secret reasons why Seventh-day Adventists keep the sabbath
Click to View REASON #1: Click to View They must vow Ellen G. White as an inspired prophet at their baptism! Official SDA Baptismal Vows: Vow #8: "I accept the Biblical teaching of spiritual gifts, and believe that the gift of prophecy is one of the identifying marks of the remnant church." Vow #11: I know and understand the fundamental Bible principles as taught by the Seventh-day Adventist Church. It is my purpose, by the grace of God, to order my life in harmony with these principles Vow #13: people of every nation, race, and language are invited ... Glait and Fischer, who had been taught the false doctrine of the Catholic and Lutheran churches, that Sunday is the Sabbath, were astonished to read in the Bible that the Sabbath was indeed the 7th day! When they began to teach this, theologians were sent to persuade them to abandon what they called the "Jewish Sabbath." Both of them suffered a martyr death, largely due to their Sabbatarian views. Modern Sabbatarians owe a debt of ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/7-White-halo.htm
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184: Sola Scriptura and the Apostolic Fathers: 425 AD: Augustine
Divine Scriptures scattered up and down: but thence gathered and reduced into one, that the memory of slow persons might not be distressed; that every person may be able to say, able to hold, what he believes. For have ye now merely heard that God is Almighty? But ye begin to have him for your father, when ye have been born by the church as your Mother. (Augustine, On the Nicene Creed: a Sermon to the Catechumens, 1) Click to View Augustine, like all the fathers, believed that every phrase in the Nicene creed had its origin in the scripture, not some "unwritten oral tradition of the apostles". He calls the creed, "Rule of Faith" which was first used by Tertullian in 200 AD. The age of creed making is in full bloom! Today, every major denomination, including the Catholic and Orthodox believe their creeds are based directly upon the Bible. This of course cannot be true since they contradict both one another and the Bible itself! by Steve Rudd Click to View Go To Start: WWW.BIBLE.CA ...
...https://www.bible.ca/sola-scriptura-apostolic-fathers-augustine.htm
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185: The False doctrine of Roman Catholic papal infallibility
... of the apostles, yet the cannot agree! We are confused over the contradictory doctrine of the Catholics and Orthodox church! Whose oral tradition on the liturgy of the Eucharist and the date of Easter is correct? With all this division, it is obvious that scripture is the only sure method of determining truth. but in case I am delayed, I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and support of the truth. 1 Timothy 3:15 The church that supports and upholds the truth, is distinguished from the truth she upholds. That truth is the gospel message contained in scripture. If the "church" is the source of truth, as both Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches claim, again we ask, which one, for they are divided against themselves in doctrine! obviously then, the traditionalist interpretation of this passage is as vacuous as it is illogical. By Steve Rudd Click to View Go To Start: WWW.BIBLE.CA ...
https://www.bible.ca/catholic-infallibility.htm
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186: Sola Scriptura and the Apostolic Fathers: 405 AD: John Chrysostom
Sola Scriptura: The Bible alone is enough! Apostolic Fathers used scripture as the primary defense against false doctrine. Click to View Sola Scriptura home page Click to View Apostolic Fathers: Dates they lived and other information. Click to View Apostolic Fathers: Five kinds of Tradition. Click to View Mandatory: Apostolic Fathers Catechism Class for Catholics and Orthodox. 405 AD: John Chrysostom: "For doctrine." For thence we ... thence we may be corrected and brought to a right mind, may be comforted and consoled, and if anything is deficient, we may have it added to us. "That the man of God may be perfect." ... But he says something far more profound that modern Roman Catholic and Orthodox leaders cringe at: Chrysostom, interprets Paul's statement as saying that "the scriptures were given IN ... Therefore let us think the tradition of the Church also worthy of credit. It is a tradition, seek no farther. Here he shows that there were many who were shaken." (John Chrysostom, Homily ... ...
...https://www.bible.ca/sola-scriptura-apostolic-fathers-chrysostom.htm
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187: sola-scriptura-oral-written-final
... Whereas all doctrine must be prejudged as false which savours of contrariety to the truth of the churches and apostles of Christ and God. It remains, then, that we demonstrate whether this doctrine of ours, of which we have now given the rule, has its origin in the tradition of the apostles, and whether all other doctrines do not ipso facto ... the Church has no antiquity. It rests upon its own supernatural and perpetual consciousness. ... The only Divine evidence to us of what was primitive is the witness and voice of the Church at this hour." (Henry Edward Manning, The Temporal Mission of the Holy Ghost: Or Reason and Revelation, 1865, p 227-228) To anyone with an ounce of insight, this statement is not only opposite to what Tertullian means it is utter heresy because it ignores history (Fathers) and scripture. Anyone who has talked to a Roman Catholic or Orthodox preacher, knows this is indeed exactly how they think! by Steve Rudd Click to View Go To Start: WWW.BIBLE.CA ...
https://www.bible.ca/sola-scriptura-oral-written-final.htm
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188: Children's Aid Society (CAS) legally kidnap your kids while you ...
Court ordered psychiatric assessments and CAS Description: Click to View Psychiatry damages society and individuals The mental health system causes harm to both individuals and society as a whole. ... under the control of elected officials. You might be surprised, but the CAS is not a government organization. The Children's Aid Society is a network of private non-profit organizations. ... Well the CAS view Ward and June Cleaver as UNFIT parents, from whom they would take their children away. (see below) In cases of adoption, the CAS views church ministers and their wives as unfit parents ... They often quit in disgust, shaking the dust off their feet! The organization at its core is philosophically opposed to the teachings of the Bible and is aggressively anti-Christian. With undue ... with switches and paddles. The 28 mothers and their 80 children, members of the Church of God, a nondenominational church in Aylmer, Ontario, say they may ask for asylum in the United ... ...
...https://www.bible.ca/psychiatry/psychiatry-harms-damages-society-CAS-childrens-aid-society-kidnap-bankrupting-destroying-families-child-custody-disputes-court-ordered-psychiatric-assessment.htm
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189: Official creed of The United Church of Canada
... We acknowledge one holy Catholic Church, the innumerable company of saints of every age and nation, who being united by the Holy Spirit to Christ their Head are one body in Him and have communion with their Lord and with one another. Further, we receive it as the will of Christ, that His Church on ... We confidently believe that by His power and grace all His enemies shall finally be overcome, and the kingdoms of this world be made the Kingdom of our God and of His Christ. Click Your Choice Go To Start: WWW.BIBLE.CA Click to View Bill Phipps Head of church denies Resurrection of Christ! Interview with Bill Phipps, current moderator of the United church of Canada in October 1997, shows him to be ... Time for a new church: Click here to find assemblies of Christians who believe in Jesus' resurrection. 2003 church petitions Ottawa to change the definition of marriage to include deviant sex practitioners. Jesus' divinity doubted Church leader holds controversial views By BOB HARVEY Southam ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/cr-united-Can.htm
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190: The Decepto-Meter goes crazy when you bring it near the Watchtower ...
... For once JW's and other anti-Trinitarians have found someone who actually believes that trinity is of pagan origin, but look who they are quoting! One of their own! Wierwille, Victor Paul Jesus Christ is Not God For JW's it is deceptive quoting. ... Deceptive quote & False Dilemma Trinitarian Too many to number here Click to View Catholic Encyclopedias and Dictionaries Catholic Encyclopedias and Dictionaries Deceptive Quote Trinitarian misleads the reader to a conclusion opposite to what source is saying Click to View Chadwick, Henry The Early Church Deceptive quote & False Dilemma Trinitarian fails to supply critical information which misleads the reader & Give false impression that if intimate details of trinity are not in the Bible that Jesus is a creature Click to View Douglas, J. D. & Bruce F. F. New Bible Dictionary Deceptive Quote & False Dilemma Trinitarian Source views Logos Christology as influence by Greek paganism and an intermediate bridge between apostolic teaching and ... ...
...https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-jw-anti-trinity-booklet-decepto-meter.htm
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191: McKenzie, John L.: Dictionary of the Bible
Jehovah's Witnesses satanically redefine the meaning of the phrase, "divine being" into something different than what McKenzie meant. McKenzie, John L.: Dictionary of the Bible Click to View "Jn 1:1 should rigorously be ... (Jn 20:28). "The glory of our great God and Savior" which is to appear can be the glory of no other than Jesus (Tt 2:13)" (Dictionary of the Bible, John L. McKenzie, God, p317) What else do Anti-Trinitarians quote: "The trinity of God is defined by the church as the belief that in God are three persons who subsist in one nature. ... In Jewish thought of the time the son and the spirit are angels; it does not even take the trouble explicitly to deny it. At the same time, it is necessary to recall that in Catholic belief the trinity of persons within ... Top 10 List: Click here When a Jehovah's Witness reads this top ten list, they either conclude the Watchtower organization engages is satanic quoting practices, or become dishonest themselves! Go To Alphabetical Index Of ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-McKenzie.htm
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192: Ancient Synagogues: 24 New Testament Synagogues
B. The experts are WRONG when say that synagogues didn't exist before 70 AD (destruction of Jerusalem Temple) 1. These same experts are actually Bible scoffers and sceptics say that the new ... They wrongly feel that synagogues would have been viewed as directly competing with the Jerusalem temple. g. Ignore key archeological and textual facts even though they are fully aware of them. ... C. God's eternal purpose in the Christian church: "The manifold wisdom of God is now made known through the church to the rulers and the authorities in the heavenly places. This was in accordance with the eternal purpose ... Synagogue Worship Prototypes in the Church: 15. Worship prototypes: Introduction and Master Summary Chart 16. Collective Names of Synagogues: House of Prayer, Temple, Church 17. Organization of ... Master List: Master list of First Temple Period, Pre-70 AD Synagogues Attend a church you can read about in the Bible: Click here to find a church near you. By Steve Rudd 2017: Contact the ... ...
...https://www.bible.ca/synagogues/Ancient-Synagogue-Archeological-Literary-Sources-Bible-Jesus-Israel-diaspora-first-century-oldest-pre70AD-Christian-infallible-inspired-Scripture-New-Testament-50ad.htm
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193: The ministry of Dr. Hugh Ross exposed
If you have any comments or reviews of the booklet, we would be happy to hear from you. Please write to us. With God's Blessings, Chris Chui, Ph. D. Click to View A Statement Concerning The ... scholars, defenders of the faith, and pillars of the early church (except Josephus), but also in that their scriptural views cannot be said to have been shaped to accommodate secular opinion. ... Contrary to this, Josephus wrote about acts of God going on in time "after the seventh day was over." Furthermore, the Bible tells that God did work aft* the seventh day of rest. Referring to miracles, Jesus ... At a wedding in Cana He turned water into wine instantly John 2:1-10). After referring to Josephus, Dr. Ross cites examples of heroic "early church fathers" who believed in long periods of time ... He said there is to be "a purging baptism of fire," and thus he anticipated the idea of purgatory, which became a doctrine of the Catholic Church at the First Council of Lyons in 838 A.D.. and ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/tracks/b-hugh-ross.htm
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194: Abbott, Lyman: Dictionary of Religious Knowledge
What else did they fail to tell about Abbott's religious views? But when I came to study the teachings of Jesus with my fellow students in this Congregational Bible Class, I found that he never mentioned vicarious atonement or the Fall of Adam or the Trinity" ("What ... says that early Christians worshipped Jesus (Abbott had to get one thing right!) Even a Liberal like Abbott admits that Jesus was considered God and worshipped as God by the earliest Christians, even though he likely doesn't believe it himself. But Jw's won't tell you this! ... It is dishonest for the Watchtower to say, Trinity "is a corruption borrowed from the heathen religions, and ingrafted on the Christian faith", but not tell you the author also trashes all church organization, baptism, the Lord's supper and the doctrine of blood atonement in the same breath! Go To Alphabetical Index Of Deceptive Quotes Written By Steve Rudd, Used by permission at: www.bible.ca Click to View Go To Start: WWW.BIBLE.CA ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Abbott.htm
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195: Trinity: Arius and the Nicene Creed
I, p.509) "Arius, Waldo, John Wycliffe, and Martin Luther were part of God's organization." (Watchtower, May 15, 1925, p. 149) Arianism did not exist before the 4th ... We now move to the East, where the debate became a great controversy. It lasted sixty years, involved the entire eastern church, the western church in part, and ... He taught that the Logos or Reason of God dwelt in the man Jesus. This Logos had also been in Moses and in the prophets; in Jesus, however, it was present in much ... Three synods in Antioch dealt with Paul's teaching, and the third one (in 269) condemned and excommunicated Paul. These views deeply influenced Arius. Like the ... Such was the teaching which Arius began to set forth in about 311. Alexander, the Catholic bishop of Alexandria, convened synods which condemned his views, and he was ... the value of the titles given (or thought to be given) to Christ in the Bible by showing that they were also applied in the Bible to quite ordinary people or things. ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-history-arius.htm
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196: Earliest evidence for the New Testament canon
the scriptures the whole time and brought about His will to form the Bible we see today! 2. This of course does not mean that there was direct inspiration in the many men who were part of the process, just that God, in His providence, achieved His goal of a 27 book canon. a. ... Bernstein, being an Orthodox apologist, has a direct vested interest in promoting the superiority of "man made church tradition" over what the Bible says. If he can make you think the Bible did not exist until 367 AD, then he can deceive you into thinking that perhaps the Orthodox position on "church tradition" is correct. The way Orthodox and Catholic leaders portray is, they give you the wrong impression. Just because we have the ... New Testament was in full use and only about 5 books, were questioned. Even so, these 5 books were still being used in churches throughout the world from 100 AD. By Steve Rudd: Contact the author for comments, input or corrections. Click Your Choice Go To Start: WWW.BIBLE.CA ...
https://www.bible.ca/b-canon-earliest-evidence.htm
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197: Early Christians always met on the First day (Sunday) and never ...
... the false doctrine of the Catholic and Lutheran churches, that Sunday is the Sabbath, were astonished to read in the Bible that the Sabbath was indeed the 7th day! When they began to teach this, theologians were sent to persuade them to abandon what they called the "Jewish Sabbath." Both of them suffered a martyr death, largely due to their Sabbatarian views. Sabbatarians owe a debt of gratitude to these Sabbath pioneers whose work later influenced the origin of the Seventh-day Baptist church. The latter (Joseph Bates) ... minister that the Bible teaches us to keep the Sabbath. But Seventh-day Adventists are convinced that God chose Ellen White and the modern Seventh-day Adventist movement as the medium through which to reveal and confirm this "truth" through direct inspiration and revelation. ... See the extensive historical quotes below. Click to View While Sabbatarians will quote 20th century authors who guess about what happened 1900 years earlier, we quote Christians whose writings ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/H-sunday.htm
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198: The Roman Catholic view of Marriage is flawed, incomplete and ...
Click to View The Roman Catholic view of Marriage is flawed, incomplete and destructive. Introduction: A. The Pope only defines two purposes of marriage, leaving out the third in the list below: ... I. "Sex on demand": The Bible teaches sex on demand by either spouse: "Now concerning the things about which you wrote, it is good for a man not to touch (have sex with) a woman. But because of ... In short, it is a sin for one either partner to withhold sex when requested. This underscores the fact that the Roman Catholic church is wrong when they refuse to include "satisfaction of sexual appetite" ... as with a branding iron, men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth. " 1 Timothy 4:1-3 ... Most of the sexual abuse problems within the Catholic church could have been prevented if they had not adopted the false doctrine that church leaders cannot be married. Orthodox leaders have always ... ...
...https://www.bible.ca/catholic-marriage-birth-control-celibacy.htm
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199: Rejected books, widely used in the first two centuries, but not ...
This providence does not mean that church leaders were inspired in their selecting the canon, only that God had his eye on the scriptures the whole time and brought about His will to form the Bible ... Take a look at your own Bible. 2. There are Bible aids, maps, articles added throughout. 1 Clement and Shepherd of Hermas and the Epistle of Barnabas were regarded as some of the most important ... Since the book claims an angel revealed the message to Moses on Mt. Sinai, it is obvious why every church in the world, except for the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, rejects it as pseudepigraphal and a ... wine, animal food, and marriage." (New Advent Catholic Enyclopedia, Encratites) Gospel According to the Hebrews: The date of the book is difficult to know but may be as early as the first century. ... Hebrews, Gospel According To The, 1915) This book was never considered canonical. By Steve Rudd: Contact the author for comments, input or corrections. Click Your Choice Go To Start: WWW.BIBLE.CA ...
https://www.bible.ca/b-canon-rejected-books.htm
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200: SUMMARY: PROOF that TRINITY is NOT of PAGAN origin!
"The fact that the church fathers never defend trinity against a charge of pagan influence is significant. If the source was so obviously pagan, then there would have ... Sabbatarians are guilty of the same thing when they quote the Catholics Authorities as proof that the Pope changed the sabbath to Sunday but reject the same Catholic ... will quote from "Trinitarian modernists" (who deny inspiration, but believe in God as a Trinity) and say, "see even Trinitarians know their doctrine is Pagan origin!" ... Reason # Click to View Misquoting and misrepresenting Trinitarians click for documentation Reason #3: Misquoting and misrepresenting Trinitarians They dishonestly ... doctrine is the majority orthodox view among "scholars". Second sometimes, even in the same article, will quote different Trinitarian sources and say: "see even the Trinitarians know that trinity doctrine originated with the pagans!" Now if you just stop and think for a minute, what "Bible believing Trinitarian" is going ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-not-pagan-reasons.htm
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