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"Hostile witness approach" misused by the Watchtower "Hostile Witness Approach" Satanic Quoting practices exposed! Click to View "Hostile witness approach" misused by the Watchtower in: "Should You Believe in the Trinity"(Watchtower booklet) A quick short summary! Top Ten List: "Worst of the worst" ... Evolutionists hate it when one of their own admits some element of evolution theology is flat wrong. Creationists will quote this guy with glee, because a fellow evolutionist had admitted a problem with evolution theology! Dr. Don Patton Ph.D. is both a master and a pioneer in using the "hostile witness" approach to debunk evolution theology that we all came from a blob in the sea over millions of years. Jehovah's Witnesses, have recognized the power of the "hostile witness" approach to debunking Trinitarian theology. They published a booklet called, "Should you believe in the Trinity" which is a collection of almost 100 different quotes from Trinitarians who seem to come right out and admit that Trinity doctrine was borrowed from the pagans ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-jw-deceptions-hostile-witness-approach.htm

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Thayer, Joseph Henry: A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament Thayer, Joseph Henry: A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament (Grimm's lexicon translated by Thayer, with Thayer's personal commented added) Click to View How the quote appears in "Should you believe in the Trinity", Watchtower, JW's booklet. "In the same way, since John 1:1 shows that the Word was with God, he could not be God but was "a god," or "divine." Joseph ... Actually Grimm should be spanked for making such irresponsible comments. No one disputes whether the Greek word "THEOS" (and the corresponding English translation: GOD) applies to Jesus. The question is the "theological meaning" of theos/god as it applies to Jesus. Even Jehovah's witnesses believe that THEOS/GOD ... Thayer, it might be mentioned, was honest enough to say what the New Testament Greek taught, even though he didn't believe it." (Kingdom of the Cults, Walter Martin. p 81) Deception Exposed: The Watchtower fails to tell you that Thayer is not a Trinitarian, but a Unitarian who believed Jesus was a creature. No ... ... https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Thayer.htm

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Weigall, Arthur: The Paganism in Our Christianity Such a conclusion is simply invalid and for this reason, it is utter deception for the Jehovah's Witnesses to use Weigall as proof that trinity is pagan, because the same identical logic would prove the virgin birth as pagan. Weigall, Arthur: The Paganism in Our Christianity Click to View How the quote appears in "Should you believe in the Trinity", Watchtower, JW's booklet: "The origin of the [Trinity] is entirely pagan." (The Paganism ... The truth is, Wiegall really does trash the whole of Christianity. After reading the book it becomes clear that whenever Weigall shows "parallels" with Christian doctrine and paganism, what he is really saying, is that the doctrine is false and truly not part of genuine ... But around this historic figure a mass of pagan legends collected, and a great theological structure grew up [this theological structure to which Weigall refers, is the idea that Christ died for our sins, which he also rejects, see 'Blood Atonement' below] and today these have ... ... https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Weigall.htm

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John Calvin: Commentary On The Gospel According To John (Translated ... John Calvin: Commentary On The Gospel According To John; A new translation, from the original Latin, by the Rev. William Pringle How anti-Trinitarians quote the source Click to View "Regarding John 10:30, John Calvin (who was a Trinitarian) said in the book Commentary on the Gospel According to John: "The ancients made a wrong use of this passage to prove that Christ is . . . of the same essence with the Father. For Christ does not argue about the unity of substance, but about the agreement which he has with the Father."" (As quoted in, Should you believe the Trinity?, Watchtower publication, John 10:30; p 416-423) ""Making Himself ... Jesus was not trying to teach that he was "mechanically" or ontologically, made of the same stuff as the Father, (even though that may in fact be true) Jesus was teaching that He was as divine as the Father. Calvin even mentions the Arians, who were forerunners of Jehovah's Witnesses that first conceived their false doctrine in 300AD. What they left out of ... ... https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Calvin.htm

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H.A.A. Kennedy: The Expositor's Greek Testament, The Epistle ... Click to View Decepto-Meter False Dilemma: Trinitarian Jehovah's Witnesses project the false impression that since Kennedy takes the active interpretation of harpazo (grasped at), that Jesus is a creature. In fact Kennedy out right states that the passage teaches Jesus is uncreated God. H.A.A. Kennedy: The Expositor's Greek Testament, The Epistle to the Philippians How anti-Trinitarians quote the source Click to View "The Expositor's Greek Testament also says: "We cannot find any passage where [har·pa'zo] or any ... Thus it is not permissible to glide from the true sense 'grasp at' into one which is totally different, 'hold fast.'" (As quoted in, Should you believe the Trinity?, Watchtower publication, John 10:30; p 416-423) What they left out of the ... Thuc., iii., 14, two KCLI LKITCLL l(r iv; S h., Oed. R., 1188, 16AaS TWCL K,.r r6 709a t4ocLs 4vcLp OlLre, and elsewhere. Thus no theological speculations can be based upon the word. Is r6 c. L. e. equivalent to lv IL. in spite of some ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Kennedy-Expositors-Greek.htm

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Trinity: Arius and the Nicene Creed Arianism did not exist before the 4th century, but was a development of doctrine, just like Creedal Trinity Arianism, a Christian heresy first proposed early in the 4th century by the Alexandrian presbyter Arius. It affirmed that Christ is not truly divine but a created being. (Encyclopedia Britannica, 1979, Arianism, Vol. I, p.509) "Arianism: Up to this point the Trinitarian debate had taken place entirely in the West. We now move to the East, where the debate became a great ... And God himself could not create the material world; indeed, Arius considered God so far removed from men that it was impossible to know him or to have fellowship with him. Arius was thoroughly Greek in his conception of God. Arius' view of Christ was much ... to or consubstantial with the first, were driven by the force of logic, to make the Holy Ghost a creature. (A Catholic Dictionary, William E. Addis & Thomas Arnold, 1960, p 822-830) Arianism was rejected because it is polytheistic According to its ... ... https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-history-arius.htm

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Werner, Martin: The Formation of Christian Dogma Click to View Click to View Decepto-Meter Satanic Quote: Modernist: believes in Angel Christology Werner is a flaming modernist typical of almost all university professors of religion. But in utter deception, JW's fail to tell us that Werner labels JW's as Polytheists! Werner, Martin: The Formation of Christian Dogma How the Watchtower quoted the source What they left out to deliberately misrepresent the source and deceive you: "In the Primitive Christian era there was no sign of any kind of Trinitarian problem or controversy, such as later produced violent conflicts in the Church. The reason for this undoubtedly lay ... On this decisive point, on which everything depends, further clarification is necessary. Because the relationship of Christ to God the Father was conditioned by the direct and essential connection of the concept of the Christ with the doctrine of angels, that relation-ship was understood unequivocally as being one of 'subordination', i.e. in the sense of the subordination ... ... https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Werner.htm

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Hertz, Dr. J. H.: The Pentateuch and Haftorahs Hertz, Dr. J. H.: The Pentateuch and Haftorahs Click to View "This sublime pronouncement of absolute monotheism was a declaration of war against all polytheism . . . In the same way, the Shema ... Trinity?, Watchtower publication) Our comment Jewish Rabbi's share a common desire to dispel any connection with the "I Am" of Jehovah in Ex 3 and the "I Am" of Jesus in John 8:58. The fact remains that when the Watchtower searched long and hard enough, they finally found a Rabbi that would say what they wanted. We could quote a pile of Rabbi's who are honest enough to admit that Ex 3 should be rendered "I am who I am"... "I am" Deception Exposed: For Arians (JW's, Christadelphians) to appeal to Jewish Rabbis to support their false doctrine is nothing short of incredible! Doing such is as ... label JW's as TRINITARIANS or TWINITARIANS! Stated differently, from the perspective of Jewish Rabbis there is NO REAL DIFFERENCE between the Trinitarian view of God and the Arian (JW's) view of God. ... ... https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Hertz.htm

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History proves the earliest Christians worshipped on the first ... Adventists are lying to the public by misrepresenting history in their frequent Revelation Seminars! We challenge any Sabbatarian to come up with one quote that any Christians kept the Jewish Sabbath prior to Constantine! Date Adventist's teach Actual history records 33-140 A.D. Universal Sabbath keeping, no one worshipped on Sunday Universal first ... Universal Sunday meetings but a gradually increasing trend for Christians to incorrectly call Sunday, "the Sabbath" and justify Sunday worship based upon the 4th commandment. Many churches today teach the false doctrine that Sunday is the Sabbath. This theological confusion/error actually reinforces Sabbatarians false doctrine, that the Sabbath was not ... When Christians today wrongly apply the 4th Sabbath commandment as the reason why they worship on Sunday, they are not only mistaken, but are making themselves very vulnerable to manipulation by the various Sabbatarian groups. Click to View We Speak truth in LOVE "you are seeking to kill ... ... https://www.bible.ca/7-historyProve.htm

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REFUTED: Full-Preterist, "Realized Eschatology", "AD 70 doctrine ... REFUTED: Full-Preterist, Realized Eschatology, AD 70 doctrine Today, Christians await the second coming of Christ: 1. The future second coming is the END 2. The dead will be raised immortal spirit bodies 3. The living will be changed into ... Come Lord Jesus, we are waiting for you! Preterism defined. There are two main branches of Full Preterism. First: The Collective Body View (CBV) tends to be theological liberals who are both Annihilationist and Universalist who set the date of the second coming of ... This same kind of problem exists with Full-Preterists! All the eschatological verses they quote refer exclusively to the "rapture" at the second coming, which occurred on Pentecost Sunday, 22nd June AD 66. They must INFER what happens to the ... historical or Biblical support. 4. Christian persecution continued down to two Edicts of Toleration by Galerius in AD 311 and Constantine in AD 313. a. Fact: More Christians are being persecuted and executed today than in the first century. b. ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/revelation/Refuted-Full-Preterism-Realized-eschatology-debunked-exposed-second-coming-Parousia-rapture-destruction-Jerusalem-70AD-Doctrine-Revelation-Commentary.htm

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Trinity: "Plural of Majesty", "pluralis majestaticus", "singular ... As we will see, all of the Anti-Trinitarian arguments are invalid leaving us with no other conclusion then the fact that God is a plurality of persons, just as the Biblical trinity teaches. It is clear that these plural references to God in the Old Testament we hidden until fully revealed by Christ and his apostles with the proclamation of the deity of ... C. History of the "Plural of Majesty" argument: Click to View "We are not amused" Queen Elizabeth 1st would not be amused... about they way Anti-Trinitarians twist every plural reference to God as a mere "Royal We". ... Nor can the plural be regarded as merely indicating the way in which God summons Himself to energy, for the use of the language is against this (Gen. ii. 18; Is. xxxiii. 10)." (Trinity, A Catholic Dictionary, ... But Heb 1:5 proves Jesus cannot be, nor ever has been an angel. Further, in their self contradictory doctrine, they have Jesus the creature, as our co-creator (Jn 1:3; Col 1:16). But this violates Rom 1:25: ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-oneness-unity-plural-of-majesty-pluralis-majestaticus-royal-we.htm

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False dilemmas and the Trinity (Logical fallacies and horns of ... False dilemmas and the Trinity (Logical fallacies) "The horns of the dilemma" God is all powerful: Can God create a rock so large he cannot lift it? Anti-Trinitarian false dilemmas usually involve two corrects facts that force an invalid conclusion. Jesus: "The Divine Man" God is Invisible, ... Simply answer them, "Angels are not men, Jesus was a man, Jesus cannot be an angel." Click to View Click to View Definition: False dilemmas are errors in logic where you falsely prove something to appear true, based upon one or two ... It will be enough if we can encourage more independent thinking; with scripture searching as our background, and genuine desire to serve the Lord as our motive." (Jim Everett) Constantine in 350 AD, discusses false dilemmas! "In this ... Notice that the first two statements (1. and 2.) in each of the false dilemmas below are true. It is the conclusion (3.) that is invalid. Arians are notorious at proving their false doctrine by using false dilemmas. Remember the devil ... ... https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-false-dilemmas.htm

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TRINITY: Christology: Diety and Humanity of our Savour! Unitarian False dilemmas exposed 1. God cannot be tempted 2. Jesus was tempted 3. Conclusion: Jesus cannot be God Trinitarian False dilemmas exposed 1. God cannot be tempted 2. Jesus is God 3. ... The Gnostics taught that Jesus as God, was spirit only and did not have flesh and bones. e. John attacks this false doctrine and calls it the antichrist: i. "By this you know the Spirit of God: every ... This is the deceiver and the antichrist." (2 John 7) f. This proves that the apostolic view of the first century church was that Jesus was eternal, creator God become flesh in the incarnation. 3. ... drove the development of trinity doctrine. 1. The necessity to formulate the doctrine was thrust upon the Church by forces from without, and it was, in particular, its faith in the deity of Christ, and the necessity to defend it, that first compelled the Church to face the duty of formulating a full doctrine of the Trinity for its rule of faith." (New Bible Dictionary, J. D. Douglas & F. F. ... ... https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-deity-of-christ.htm

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Four positions on the day of Christian worship ... Deceptively used Mis-Quotes commonly used by Sabbatarians from various churches. These quotes fall into two categories. First Adventists merely point out the false doctrine of other churches, like the false doctrine that the Pope changed the day (False Catholic view) or that the sanctity of the Sabbath was transferred to Sunday (The False Protestant view). Second, they quote a number of churches, like the church of Christ, ... They just engage in selective quoting! We also wonder why Sabbatarians would use this quote, when Campbell's conclusion was that no one changed the day! His comment about Constantine refers to the fact that he started calling it the Sabbath, not that the day was change. Read ... But, from His own words, we see that He came for no such purpose. Those who believe that Jesus changed the Sabbath based it only on a supposition," (Amos Binney, Theological Compendium,1902 edition, pp. 171, 180-181) Presbyterian False Protestant view Click here to learn that ... ... https://www.bible.ca/7-4-positions.htm

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Neo-Montanism: Pentecostalism is the ancient heresy of Montanism ... ... April 4, 1906 a revival began and 1,000's of people came to 312 Azusa to receive the baptism in the Holy Spirit. This revival lasted from 1906 to 1913 (Burgess, Stanley, Dictionary of Pentecostal and Charismatic Movements, Zondervan Publishers, ... that distinguish the Oneness Pentecostal movement: Modalism - Jesus is the only person of God; Doctrine of "trinity" considered to be demonic; Speaking in tongues is an essential sign of salvation; Denial of the existence of Christ prior to the incarnation. ... Branham denied the Trinity and taught it was a demonic doctrine believed only by those of the whore Babylon false church - he was still revered as a true prophet by almost every major Pentecostal and Charismatic ministry (who are Trinitarian). ... Rodney Howard Brown Randy Clark John Arnott (Toronto Vineyard) From Toronto Airport Church to various churches world-wide Click to View Click to View Sometimes Truth makes Love hurt "You are seeking to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth" ... ... https://www.bible.ca/tongues-neo-montanism.htm

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Autocephalous Orthodox Churches centered at Constantinople ... I just laugh when Roman Catholics and Orthodox both claim their church has the authority to determine doctrine and that the Protestants are divided into many factions. Of course, the Orthodox claim ... me quote an Orthodox Father named Raymond L. Zell, in his booklet called, "Scripture and tradition." Pg. 2: "Wait a minute! How can so many contradictory statements be based upon" apostolic tradition? "How can intelligent and sensible people" claim to be the apostolic church, "yet arrive at such opposite conclusions?" Here is a time line of history produced by the Orthodox church: Click to View ... Church of Canada Click to View 2. The Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the USA: His Beatitude Constantine, Metropolitan of all USA, Eparchial Bishop: Central Eparchy (Canonical Church Under ... Mark the Evangelist who, according to tradition, was martyred in Alexandria in 63 AD. Eventually Egypt became a Christian nation and Alexandria an extremely important center of theological reflection. ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/orthodox-church-autocephalous-hierarchy-organization.htm

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William Barclay: Many Witnesses, One Lord Click to View Click to View Decepto-Meter Satanic quote: Unitarian Barclay himself says about the Watchtower quote of him, "The Watchtower article has, by judicious cutting, made me say the opposite of what I meant to say." William Barclay. Barclay, William: Many Witnesses, One ... was a Christian. In his autobiography he clearly states that he was not a Trinitarian. He did not believe that Jesus is God. He denied the doctrine of the Vicarious Atonement. He also denied the Virgin Birth of Christ, and his view of the Holy Spirit fits no discernible orthodox definition in the history of the Christian Church. (Harold Lindsell) Needless to say, Barclay did not believe in the inerrancy of the Scriptures. ... Reticent about the authority of Scripture, he rejected also the virgin birth and regarded miracles as merely symbolic of what Jesus can still do in the world." (J. D. Douglas, Evangelical Dictionary of Theology.) Go To Alphabetical Index Of Deceptive Quotes Written By Steve Rudd, ... ... https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Barclay.htm

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Origin of Jewish/Christian holy days: Old Testament, Christmas ... I. Origin of Jewish Holy Days from Moses in the Old testament: A. Jewish, Hebrew calendar of feast days & holy days: (Adapted from New Bible Dictionary, p 158) Mth # Pre-Exilic Name Post-Exilic Name Modern Calendar Season Festivals 1 Abib Ex ... WHITSUNDAY or PENTECOST: Sunday, 50 days after Easter: birthday of church h. TRINITY SUNDAY: Sunday after Pentecost: dedicated to the "Trinity7 Click to View III. Origin of Christmas: A. The word "Christmas" comes from "Christ + Mass" 1. from the Catholic "mass" ... The pagan Saturnalia and Brumalia were too deeply entrenched in popular custom to be set aside by Christian influence. The recognition of Sunday (the day of Phoebus and Mithras as well as the Lord's Day) by the emperor Constantine as a legal ... Eating this meat socially was also a liberty (1 Corinthians 11:23,25,27) . These three passages (1 Corinthians 8; 10:14-22; and 10:23-33) apply important principles of the doctrine of Christ to three situations which we also face in principle. ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/t-holy-days-origin-christmas-easter-halloween.htm

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One verse refution of Transubstantiation ... The very record of historically, (Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Cyprian and Hippolytus) which the Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches love to quote as authority, proves that before 200 AD, the church viewed the bread and juice as symbols. Conversely, the ... Hippolytus speaking of the Lord's Supper as an antitype based upon Prov 9:1: "And she hath furnished her table: "that denotes the promised knowledge of the Holy Trinity; it also refers to His honoured and undefiled body and blood, which day by day are administered ... Although this new line of reasoning that began no sooner than 225 AD, was successful, it required an abandonment of the orthodox arguments used the century before, which were all directly based upon the symbolic view. But now the Devil had succeeded in getting the church to use one false doctrine (Transubstantiation) to defeat another: Gnosticism. Refuting one false doctrine with another is quite common in theological debates and the reader needs to be aware of ... ... https://www.bible.ca/ntx-communion-transubstantiation.htm

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Archaeology and the Religions of Canaan and Israel, Beth Alpert ... These seven years have been important for yet another reason, and that is the proliferation of critical new scholarly works. They include, but are not limited to, The Anchor Bible Dictionary ... At the same time, interest in the land of Palestine as the locus of the Bible cyclically waxed and waned. Byzantines under Constantine explored Christian and Jewish holy places and so did Europeans ... Their motivation for investigating the religion of Israel's Canaanite ancestors was often their own deeply held religious beliefs. One consequence of this theological orientation has been that, ... While scholars differed over the degree to which Israelite religion was indebted to that of the Canaanites, they generally accepted an evolutionary perspective. In this view, Canaanites had been ... inter alia, the works of A. Causse (Kimbrough 1978) and de Vaux (1964). 6 For a rebuttal of the doctrine of "survivals," see Georgoudi 1989. She demonstrates that, contrary to accepted scholarly ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/archeology/bible-archeology-archaeology-and-the-religions-of-Canaan-and-israel-beth-alpert-nakhai.htm

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Why I left the Roman Catholic church! (personal testimony) Click to View Why I left the Roman Catholic Faith. Why? For Truth's Sake! Two Personal Testimonials: Click here for Testimonial #1 Click here for Testimonial #2 Click to View Find the true church in ... I will mention, though, that I came from a large, devout Catholic family of twelve children. I attended Trinity High School in Louisville, Kentucky. At the time of my intense Scriptural study, I had ... Catholics are not allowed, and especially are not encouraged to hear both sides regarding truth and error. They are not to read books which differ from their doctrine. Thus, they are encouraged by the ... History plainly shows that, as long as pagan Rome was in the ascendancy, papal Rome was held in check. In the fourth century, Emperor Constantine recognized his version of "Christianity" as the true ... Thus, in due course, they escape to heaven. Such are some of the visions of purgatory depicted by some of the Romanist theological writers. Such tales are as silly as pagan mythology. In fact, Plato, ... ... https://www.bible.ca/cath-why-I-left.htm

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Seven Myths Of Denominationalism! Seven Myths Of Denominationalism! A FREE 150 page on line book! This document by David B. Brown Click to View We Speak the Truth in Love... But sometimes it hurts! Email your comments to the author: dbrown@cs.ua.edu Click to View Table ... Myth 6: The Rapture! for further study Myth 6: The Rapture, The RAPTURE, THE RAPTURE! 6.1 A Most Popular Doctrine 6.2 A Proposed Scenario 6.3 Scriptural View of Judgment 6.3.1 The Gospels 6.3.2 The Book of Acts 6.3.3 The Letters to the ... here to explain the meaning of the word mystery as used in many passages of the New Testament, several of which we will quote shortly. According to Vine's An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, this word does not refer to something which is complex or difficult to understand. ... Notice, however, that every act of faith on Abraham's part was reflected in some outward work. Abraham never had faith only -- to him this would have been an absurd theological concept. 24 These works are not works of man's own devising, ... ... https://www.bible.ca/r-7-myths-of-denominationalism.htm

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Ellen G. White found guilty of plagiarism (copying) Click to View Ellen G. White Prophet? or Plagiarist! The White Lie! By Walter T. Rea Click to View Order Walter Rea's book: "The White Lie" Chapter 12: Life Has Its Incidents The incredible story of ... The more conservative the religious body and the people who subscribe to the creed, the more difficult it is to make the mental adjustment that is necessary. In the extreme, if the theological ... Don t use as your instrument of destruction the church on which the majority of the members rely for continuance of their faith The dictionary defines faith as "belief without evidence," and most of ... Slow evolution regarding Ellen's reading skills: a. Secular news media, reporting the Adventist reply to criticism, quote information that 3.5 million members have accepted the 25 million words of ... more of his findings and ideas. But never once was it suggested that the heart of Adventist doctrine-such as the three angels' worldwide message that the church had applied exclusively to the ... ... https://www.bible.ca/7-WL-CH12-incidents.htm

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Hindu Gurus and Pentecostal preachers are identical!!! ... Sim. (Donning International Encyclopedic Psychic Dictionary, June G. Beltzer, Ph.D., p. 343). Kundalini Yoga: "the serpent power." Click to View Click to View Click to View Click to View Click to View Click to View Kundalini in ... Shaking, screaming, crying - she became a dynamo of energy...she was on fire, from the opposite corner they could feel her energy." Clearing the mind, Appealing to emotionalism, Anti-intellectual: Click to View just be joyful ... God is not serious ... this world cannot fit with a theological god Leader very ... Shakers deny eternal damnation of the lost Shakers believe in universal salvation Shakers deny the atonement of Christ on the cross (as does the WOF movement) Shakes deny the Trinity of God and believe God is dual - father and ... WOF teaches we are "little gods" and "little Christ's, little anointed ones." Latter Rain/Manifest Sons doctrine preaches (to this day) victory over physical death before Christ's return. The Word of God is being downplayed in ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/tongues-kundalini-shakers-charismastics.htm

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The New Testament Jewish Sects: Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes ... We are totally missing the picture of Jesus= days if we think of these groups in terms of modern religious groups. Saldarini correctly notes that they were not A simple theological debating societies@ (14). ... Some scholars think this reflects Josephus= s prejudice (e.g. Jackson 12), but it is doubtful that many Jews before the Pharisees held to a doctrine of resurrection. That is why, while we tend to label such beliefs A liberal@ and think of the Sadducees as the liberals of their day, many scholars view the Sadducees as the conservatives (e.g., Russell 52). ... B. Eerdmans Publishing Co., 1971). Craig A. Evans and Stanley E. Porter, eds., Dictionary of New Testament Background (Downers Grove, Illinois: InterVarsity Press, 2000), 342-48, 782-87, 1050-52. William ... Nickelsburg and Michael Stone, Faith and Piety in Early Judaism: Texts and Documents (Philadelphia: Trinity Press International, 1991), 1-50. D. S. Russell, Between the Testaments (Philadelphia: Fortress Press, ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/d-jewish-sects-pharisees-sadducees-essenes-zealots.htm

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Is the RC church infallible and unable to make errors? Click to View The Pope and the Catholic Church are quite fallible. Catholics say Yes! Truth says No! Is The Catholic Church Infallible? None will deny the importance and need of infallibility in ... The Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, by W.E. Vine defined the word "hell" of Matt. 16:18 as, "HADES, the region of departed spirits of the lost (but including the blessed dead in periods ... The Theological Word Book of the Bible, edited by Alan Richardson, says of the word, "The name for this region was SHEOL (Heb.) or HADES (Gk.)...It was in Sheol that a man was 'gathered to his ... It produces only after its kind--that which is identical to the primitive church. If a person is something religiously about which nothing is said in the New Testament, some doctrine has been planted ... Catholics sometimes quote 1 Tim. 3:15 which states, "...The church of the living God, the pillar and mainstay of the truth" to prove that the church is invested with authority to legislate in divine ... ... https://www.bible.ca/cath-church-infallible.htm

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The Exodus Route: The Archaeology of Mt. Lawz as Mt. Sinai ... For, when one Evangelist has: 'By the finger of God, I cast out devils,' another says this same thing thus: 'By the spirit of God, I cast out devils.' Who would not have this joy in the divine mysteries, when the redemptive doctrine shines with so ... This proves that it required a "special revelation from God" to locate Mt. Sinai and that no one of her day agreed with her. b. It is interesting that Eusebius has no entry in his dictionary of places for Mt. Sinai although he does mention under the ... Horeb, Wilderness of Shur, Midian, the desert of the Saracens, wilderness of Paran, Arabian Desert were all were all Transjordan. D. Historic search for Mt. Sinai: 1878 - 1938 AD 1. Discussion: a. The consensus view among those who place Mt. Sinai in ... Do not ever use or quote the opinions of any of these men in movies, public presentations, blogs, sermons, books or articles, unless it is to demonstrate HOW NOT to do Bible research on the exodus route. Not a single archaeological claim they make is ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/archeology/bible-archeology-exodus-route-mt-sinai.htm

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Exodus Route: Men who misled the world away from truth ... Do not ever use or quote the opinions of any of these men in public presentations, blogs, sermons, books, articles or movies unless it is to demonstrate HOW NOT to do Bible research on the exodus route. Not a single archaeological claim they make is ... Mention of these in Curtius' sources probably caused him to add something (about perfumes) which is really applicable to Arabia proper only." (Quintus Curtius, History of Alexander, J. Henderson, Books I-X, Vol 1, p 331, 5.1.11, 1946 AD) Quintus is ... The Madaba Map (AD 542) marks in sequence Pelusium, Ostracine, Rhinololura, Raphia and Gaze up the coast from the Nile. Pliny did not view the Sinai Peninsula as Arabia because the 100 km east of the Nile is the first Arabian controlled city as part ... The Madaba map of AD 542 was based directly upon the Onomasticon (dictionary of places) of Eusebius. Directly contradicting the Constantine's mother Helena, Eusebius did not locate Mt. Sinai in the Sinai Peninsula or near Petra but at Midian in ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/exodus/bible-archaeology-Exodus-Route-deception-Apion-Queen-Helena-Henry-Trumbull-Ron-Wyatt-Bob-Cornuke-Lennart-Moller-Jim-Caldwell-Ryan-Mauro-Gordon-Franz-David-Rohl.htm

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Seder Olam Rabbah modern Jewish calendar English pdf free online ... This was simply impossible for the Jews in 160 AD to allow if they wanted to start, for the first time in history, make Shem the GREAT Melchizedek. The Jews wanted to counter the Christian doctrine in ... Yose a. "In R. Yosé's opinion, seventh months were intercalated that year [88A], and in rabbis' view, eight were defective." [Yosé: There was a difference of three days, not four, that year, so the ... Rodger Young, Westminster Theological Journal vol. 68, p 73, 2006 AD) b. "Chronological discussions in the Talmud often associate Rabbi Yose ben Halafta with the work Seder Olam ("Order of the World") ... Abba Shaul, compiler of a Mishna, and the Patriarch R. Shim'on ii. b. Gamaliel ii., are also included in the third generation." (A Dictionary of the Bible: Dealing with Its Language, Literature, and ... Other disciples of Ḥanina, simply referred to as Ẓippora˒ei (Sepphorians), frequently quote their mentor's views in the Palestinian Talmud (Miller 1990, 1992). Sepphoris would continue to be home ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/manuscripts/Seder-Olam-Rabbah-full-text-PDF-Free-Online-Chronology-modern-Jewish-calendar-Textual-variants-Bible-manuscripts-Old-Testament-Torah-Tanakh-Rabbinical-Judaism-160AD.htm

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What Early Christians believed about USING INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC What did early Christians believe about using instrumental music in worship? (Before 300 AD) Uninspired records of how early Christians worshipped and what doctrine they believed! Using instrumental ... CHAMBERS "The organ is said to have been first introduced into church music by Pop Vitalian in 666. In 757, a great organ was sent as a present to Pepin by the Byzantine Emperor, Constantine, and ... DICKINSON "In view of the controversies over the use of instrumental music in worship, which have been so violent in the British and American Protestant churches, it is an interesting question whether ... It is heresy in the sphere of worship." (John Giradeau, Presbyterian professor in Columbia Theological Seminary, Instrumental Music, p. 179) HASTING If instrumental music was not part of early ... from churches: "des Römischen Abgott Baals feldzeichen" [Translation: "of the Roman idol Baal field sign"] Luther's list, dating back to 1597 AD is authentic, and the quote of Luther is valid! ... ... https://www.bible.ca/H-music.htm

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Masoretic Text (MT) born in 160 AD at Zippori ... The Masoretic Chronology used Seder Olam Rabbah as its blueprint for compressing earth history for anti-Christian theological reasons. c. Masoretic Chronology like Seder Olam, is an extreme ... (although the Babylonian system continued to be used by Yemenite communities)." (The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church, Masoretes, 2005 AD) 8. We have a direct line from Yose ben Halafta ... followers in 1976: "It may be that some who have been serving God have planned their lives according to a mistaken view of just what was to happen on a certain date or in a certain year [ie 1975]. ... when it is in fact around 7600 years old. 4. Many solid Old Testament prophecies quoted in the new have been corrupted by the Jews in 160 AD so that no Old Testament source quote can be found: a. ... But in the end, none of the changes made by the Jews changed any critical text or changed any doctrine, so they failed. d. Many Jews today are converting to Christianity as a result of simply reading ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/manuscripts/Masoretic-Text-MT-Leningrad-Codex-Bible-manuscripts-Old-Testament-Torah-Tanakh-Hebrew-Rabbi-Yose-ben-Halafta-Zippori-160AD.htm

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The Samaritan Pentateuch (SP) Bible manuscript: Oldest and only ... ... The only difference is that the standard Jewish view was that the "days of the Messiah" would last 1000 years, whereas the Samaritans viewed it as a "second kingdom" of eternal blessing on earth. b. ... During the middle ages the concept of a Second Kingdom, political world dominion was added to the Ra'utah. Beyond that a cosmic eschatology has been added." (The New Interpreter's Dictionary of the ... Furthermore, through the harmonising of the three eschatological themes of Rhwth, Taheb and the Second Kingdom by late Samaritan theological thinking the Second Kingdom became an intermediate stage ... In those days of great religious excitement he presented himself to the Samaritans as the prophet promised in Deut. 18:18 (which passage, according to Samaritan doctrine, is the only true Messianic ... This complaint is not mentioned earlier on the Massoretic text; but the Samaritan Pentateuch inserts this quote in an earlier verse (Exod 6:9). Another illustration is Gen 31:11-13, where Jacob ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/manuscripts/Samaritan-Pentateuch-SP-Bible-manuscripts-Old-Testament-Torah-Paleo-Hebrew-1362AD.htm

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Scientology's Relationship With Eastern Religious Traditions ... While Wallis was correct in indicating that Samkhya-yoga holds a view about salvation that involves the disentanglement of the spirit from matter, he could have mentioned additional concepts that bore ... Finally, comments must be made on a significant theological difference between Scientology and Buddhism-a difference that Hubbard apparently did not realise when he stated in Hymn of Asia that "What I ... Fundamental, however, to Buddhist philosophy is the doctrine of no-soul (anatta [Pali]; anatma [Sanskrit])-a doctrine that distinguishes Buddhism "from all other relig[ions] and philosoph[ical] ... title page of Hubbard, 1969). Definitions appearing in the Dianetics and Scientology Technical Dictionary refer to the sources for terms, and explanations to specific tape dates appear in Church of ... Presumably, Hubbard wrote The Hymn of Asia during this auspicious year. The original text contains very short lines of verse, and in this quote and others I have compressed them into prose and ... ... https://www.bible.ca/scientology-eastern-religions-Kent.htm

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The Septuagint, LXX, origin, textual transmission 282 BC ... In fact, if you took every verse out the bible that had a variant reading it would make zero difference in any Bible doctrine or change any Bible story. This is what Jesus meant when he said, ... errors in the text of the Koran. For example, Koran 5:116 incorrectly represents the trinity as Father, Mary, Jesus based upon the fact that heretical sects of Christians living in Arabia ... The concluding gloss after 42:17 is clearly scholastic foot notes never intended to be viewed as scripture the same way Christians view the Bible maps, comments and notes throughout their "Study ... See: Terah was 130 not 70 years old when Abraham was born. 3. Exodus 12:40 Long vs. Short sojourn in Egypt: a. Israel spent 430 years in Egypt. The theological variant interpretation about the long ... See: Jacob enters Egypt with 70 or 75 persons. 5. Deut 32:43; Ps 97:7 and Heb 1:6: Angels are commanded to worship Jesus Christ in Heb 1:6. a. Christians mistakenly think the quote came from Ps 97:7 ... ... https://www.bible.ca/manuscripts/septuagint.htm

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Greek Scroll Twelve minor prophets Nahal Hever 50 BC: Septuagint ... ... is from Eternity" and Isa 9:6 "Eternal Father" and Isa 7:14 "call His name God with US" are a trinity of powerful confirmations that Jesus is incarnate creator God: a. "For a child will be born to ... Christians adopted, they still found a Greek translation necessary." (Baker Illustrated Bible Dictionary, Dead Sea Scrolls, p414, 2013 AD) From the fragments of the Twelve Prophets discovered in ... (Aristeas)." (The Text of the Old Testament, Peter J. Gentry, Journal Of The Evangelical Theological Society, 52/1, p24, March 2009) "The most securely dated portion of the LXX is the Pentateuch ... The post-Pentateuchal books were translated after the translation of the Torah, for most of these translations use its vocabulary, and several translations also quote from the Greek Torah. Since the ... Steve Rudd, November 2017 AD: Contact the author for comments, input or corrections By Steve Rudd: November 2017: Contact the author for comments, input or corrections. Click to View Go to: Main Bible ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/manuscripts/bible-manuscripts-Septuagint-twelve-Greek-Minor-prophets-scroll-Nahal-Hever-Bar-Kochba-Cave-of-Horrors-letters-Dodekapropheton-Greek-8HevXIIgr-50BC.htm

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The Exodus Route: A scriptural proof, with the witness of history ... ... Headed for Sinai, the Israelites "moved on from the wilderness of Sin by stages" (pl. of massaʿ, Ex 17:1). Later they "set out by stages from the wilderness of Sinai" (Num 10:12)." (Theological ... Josephus identifies Apion as the first person in history to misplace Mt. Sinai in the Sinai Peninsula as fiction he invented. Read the quote again and suddenly it all becomes clear! Josephus knew ... The map is famous because it is one of the oldest maps of Bible lands in the world. It agrees with the "Onomasticon" (dictionary of cities) written by Eusebius in AD 325. The proof doesn't get much ... Notice the border is between the towns of Bitylium and Rhinocolura. Click to View Conclusion: Fiction writers say that the Sinai Peninsula was not Egyptian Territory. Both the Bible and all ancient ... is the shortest road (between the two seas). (Strabo, Geogr. 16.2.30) The Peutinger Map 330-381 AD is one of the oldest extant maps in the world and was likely authored during the Constantine years. ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/archeology/bible-archeology-exodus-route.htm

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Official creed of the Shakers: Compendium (1859) Mother Ann Lee ... They quote Jesus: "Think not that I am come to bring peace on earth [to the earthly procreative relation]; for I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her ... For there is no form of human wickedness which can not be found within the pale of the theological organizations of Christendom. 12. That the Protestant Reformation effected a revolution for the ... from the stand-point of the people and age upon whom, and in which, they operated, both Constantine, Luther, and Calvin were real reformers; but adjudged from the stand-point of Jesus and his ... fallen Gentile Christian Church having abused this institution, in common with every Christian doctrine, does not invalidate the principle itself, nor render it nugatory (in the proper order) in the ... Her mind, ever intent upon the great work of salvation, was greatly affected concerning the lost state of mankind. But the real foundation of that loss was still concealed from her view; nor could she ... ... https://www.bible.ca/cr-shakers.htm

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The Dugger-Porter Debate on Sunday as the Lord's Day Click to View Formal Debates Saturday or Sunday? Debate #3 A.N. Dugger Vs. W. Curtis Porter Buy This Book Proposition #1: "The Scriptures teach that the seventh day of the week as a Christian Sabbath ... At the beginning of the world the seventh day was "sanctified," that is, it was set apart. Webster's THE PORTER-DUGGER DEBATE 11 dictionary gives the definition for the word "sanctify": "To be set ... Does this mean that all of the Mosaic law is to be kept now? But James did not quote the Sabbath commandment at all. He did not say to keep it. The law he referred to was "the law of liberty" (verse ... for such a noble work, but not one word is said about any new laws, but it does say that they continued steadfastly in the apostles doctrine (Acts 2:42). No new laws or new regulations were given. ... It was kept once a year, at the time, and on the day Jesus shed his blood up to 321 A.D. when Constantine put Easter or pass- THE PORTER-DUGGER DEBATE 41 over on a fixed Sunday. This anyone can find ... ... https://www.bible.ca/7-debate-porter-dugger.htm

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Cosmic Consciousness, Richard Maurice Bucke, 1901 AD ... Bucke felt that he was one of the few who appreciated this astounding fact and was concerned with the orderly transfer of authority and doctrine from dying master to living disciples. It was necessary ... Individuals who attain cosmic consciousness are moral; their sense of morality is further exalted by the experience, whereas the psychotic view of the deluded is often immoral or amoral. Another ... Of Whitman's inner circle only Traubel and Bucke qualified with the elect who had tasted of the Brahmic splendour. Bucke's format was to describe briefly the life of the subject and then to quote from ... Wrenched and sweaty - calm and cool then my body becomes, I sleep, I sleep long. I do not know it - it is without name - it is a word unsaid - it is not in any dictionary, utterance, symbol. Something ... Descended of good sturdy English stock on both sides, his father was a graduate of Trinity College, Cambridge, and a clergyman. His mother, sister to an eminent Q.C., was a granddaughter of Sir Robert ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/psychiatry/cosmic-consciousness-richard-maurice-bucke-1901ad.htm

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Nimrod and the Archaeology of the Tower of Babel by Steven Rudd ... ... The Hebrews are "sons of Eber" (10:21)." (Easton's Bible dictionary, Hebrew, 1893 AD) e. "One of the most striking correspondences is between the name of the great king of Ebla, Ebrium, which is semantically and linguistically equivalent to the ... Pompey arrived in Judea Herod dies in 1 BC AD 135-325 Late Roman (LR) End of 2nd Jewish War Byzantine: AD 325 325-636 Byzantine (B) Constantine Islamic: AD 636 636-661 Pre-caliphate Battle of Yarmouk 661-750 Umayyad Umar 1st Dynasty 750-970 ... Domino #1: Jehovah's Witnesses reject the Bible teaching of Hell on the basis of their own human reasoning and replace it with a new false doctrine of their own creation called "annihilation" because they view the Bible doctrine of eternal conscious torment as ... Another "Nimrod false doctrine"! g. Domino #7: Rejecting Jesus as God and making him into a creature/angel, destroys the Bible doctrine of the Trinity. h. Domino #8: Rejecting the Trinity transforms the Holy Spirit from a person into a thing. ... ... https://www.bible.ca/nimrod/welcome.htm

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Harris, R. Laird: Theological Workbook of the Old Testament Click to View Click to View Decepto-Meter Deceptive Quote : Trinitarian Quote only the first of several meaning of Spirit (wind/power) in order to prove the Holy Spirit is nothing but hot air! Harris, R. Laird: Theological Workbook of the Old Testament How Anti-Trinitarians quoted the source What they left out to deliberately misrepresent the source and deceive you: "His 'spirit' may indicate no more than active power. (Is 40.13)" (Theological Workbook of the Old Testament, Vol 2, page 836-7) Ruah can exhibit a range of meaning. The "breath" of God may be a strong wind (Isa 40:7; 59:19; cf. Num 11:31). His "spirit" may indicate no more than active power or mood Isa 40:13, "Who hath directed the spirit [intention] of the Lord?" or, "who has known the mind [intention] of the Lord," SO Lxx and I Cor 2:16). At most points, however, context approves and the analogy of the NT strongly suggests that the ruah YHWH is the Holy Spirit, "in the fullest Christian sense" (Theological Workbook of ... ... https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Harris.htm

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History of the Bible Doctrine of the Trinity History of Trinity doctrine Click to View Click to View Watchtower Hypocrisy: "The word Trinity is not found in the Bible"? So what! The word "Bible" isn't in the Bible! Click to View Development of Trinity Doctrine from the Old to the New Testament. Click to View Development of Trinity from 100 - 325AD. Click to View Constantine and the Nicene creed Click to View What early Christians said about Trinity from 65-300AD Click to View Commentary on what early Christians believed about Trinity Click to View Arius and the Nicene Creed Click to View Arian Biased Translations quoted by Jehovah's Witnesses to support their false views. By Steve Rudd Click to View Go To Start: WWW.BIBLE.CA ... https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-history.htm

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Woodrow, Ralph: Babylon Mystery Religion Click to View Click to View Decepto-Meter Deceptive quote: Trinitarian The selective quoting gives the false impression of what both the author is saying and the facts of history. Woodrow, Ralph: Babylon Mystery Religion What Anti-Trinitarians quote: "his [Constantine's] conversion is to be seriously questioned. Even though he had much to do with the establishment of certain doctrines and customs within the church, the facts plainly show that he was not truly converted-not in the Biblical sense ... Anti-Trinitarians are basically trying to trash the genuineness of Constantine's Christianity and his involvement in the Nicene creed. We have already dealt extensively with this deception and merely direct the reader to Encyclopædia Britannica. Britannica also notes Constantine putting his son to death, but says it was for reasons unknown. What if his son committed murder himself, and Constantine, just like the USA today, executed him, being head of state! The fact that Constantine killed his ... ... https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Woodrow.htm

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Schneider, J.: Theologisches Begriffslexikon zum Neuen Testament Click to View Click to View Decepto-Meter Deceptive quote: Trinitarian Apart from misleading the reader of the sources true meaning, according to anti-Trinitarian logic, a wife is a lesser class of being than her husband because she is subordinate to him! Schneider, J.: Theologisches Begriffslexikon zum Neuen Testament What Anti-Trinitarians quote: "Jesus Christ does not usurp the place of God. His oneness with the Father does not mean absolute identity of being. Although the Son of God in his ... J Schneider is being misrepresented, as this quote proves: "E. Stauffer is doubtless correct when he writes: "The Christology of the NT is carried to its logical conclusion with the thorough-going designation of Christ as theos"" (New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology, Colin Brown, 1932, God, Vol 2, p81, J. Schneider) Our comment Schneider's comments do not mean he denies the deity of Christ as being VERY God. You can see more of Schneider's views in the New International ... ... https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Schneider.htm

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Bettenson, Henry: Documents of the Christian Church Click to View Click to View Decepto-Meter Deceptive quote: Trinitarian Gives false impression that the majority who opposed the Nicene creed believed Jesus is a creature. Bettenson, Henry: Documents of the Christian Church What Anti-Trinitarians quote: "The decisions of Nicea were really the work of a minority, and they were misunderstood and disliked by many" (Documents of the Christian Church, Henry Bettenson) What they left out to deliberately misrepresent the source and deceive you: Attempts to overthrow the Nicene Formulas: The decisions of Nicaea were really the work of a minority, and they were misunderstood and disliked by many who were not adherents of Arius. In particular the terms [Greek] aroused opposition, on the grounds that they were unscriptural, novel, tending to Sabellianism (taking [Greek] in the sense of particular reality and erroneous metaphysically. Athanasius was twice exiled, and when ninety bishops assembled at Antioch for the dedication of Constantine's ... ... https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Bettenson.htm

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Development of Trinity Doctrine from the Old to the New Testament Development of Trinity Doctrine from the Old to the New Testament. Click to View The Old Testament is the New Testament concealed, and the New Testament is the Old Testament revealed! I. Watchtower Hypocrisy: When the Watchtower says, "the concept of trinity as revealed in the New Testament, is not taught in the Old Testament". They are right, but many concepts that are taught in the New Testament like the Trinity, were merely alluded to in the Old Testament. Trinity is merely one of a long list ... If the Watchtower organization tells Jehovah's Witnesses that since Trinity was not fully developed in the Old Testament, it proves Trinity false, they blindly accept it as true. All the while, if they ever stopped to think, they would realize this is a satanic deception, illogical and utter hypocrisy! It is obvious that the Jews would reject the JW view of Jesus being "a god" (see Jn 10:33) as quickly as the Trinitarian view that Jesus was "THE God" (as Jn 20:28 teaches). Evidently, the Jews ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-development-old-testament.htm

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TRINITY proven in the Bible MEGA-SITE Click to View Go To Start: WWW.BIBLE.CA Trinity proven from the bible: 1. Start here: Introduction 2. Trinity and the definition of God 3. Trinity Christology and Jesus Christ 4. Incarnation of Jesus 5. Trinity history 6. Trinity and the Holy Spirit 7. Trinity and the oneness, unity of God 8. Trinity subordination within the Godhead 9. Trinity proof texts Unitarians and Anti-Trinitarians refuted: 1. Satanic and deceptive quoting practices in Watchtower by Jehovah's Witnesses 2. Anti trinity proof texts refuted 3. Trinity is not of pagan origin ... https://www.bible.ca/trinity/

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Trinity proof texts: Isaiah 6:1-9 + John 12:41 Trinity Proof Texts: Isaiah 6 Click to View Isaiah 6:1: In the year of King Uzziah's death, I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, lofty and exalted, with the train of His robe filling the temple. Isaiah 6:8-9 Then I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, "Whom shall I send, and who will go for Us?" Then I said, "Here am I. Send me!" And He said, "Go, and tell this people: 'Keep on listening, but do not perceive; Keep on looking, but do not understand.' I. Jesus is Yahweh: A. Isaiah saw Jesus Christ (Yahweh) "In the year of King Uzziah's death I saw Yahweh sitting on a throne, lofty and exalted, with the train of His robe filling the temple. " Isaiah 6:1 "For my eyes have seen the King, Yahwah of hosts." Isaiah 6:5 "Then I heard the voice of Yahweh, saying, "Whom shall I send, and who will go for Us?" Then I said, "Here am I. Send me!" " Isaiah 6:8 "These things Isaiah said because he (Isaiah) saw His (Christ's) glory, and he spoke of Him (Christ)." John 12:41 B. The context of John 12:41: ... ... https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-texts-isaiah6.htm

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Anti-Trinity proof texts REFUTED: John 8:42 Anti-Trinity Proof Texts Refuted Click to View John 8:42 "I proceeded forth and have come from God, for I have not even come on My own initiative, but He sent Me." Click to View False Arian argument stated: The expression "proceeded forth" indicates that Jesus was created by God who was the source of Jesus existence. What John 17:3 is actually saying: The expression, "proceeded forth" in John 8:42 means nothing more than "Jesus came from the presence of the Father, being sent". The text teaches that Jesus was a human messenger that pre-existed his physical birth and came to the world by the incarnation. The Greek word for "proceeded forth" (exerchomai) is never used in scripture in the sense of creation point or origin. The same Greek word for "proceeded forth" (exerchomai) is used in both John 8:42 and Mk 5:8. Did the demons have their creation point in the man? Obviously not. So even if the actual meaning of John 8:42 was that Jesus came from inside the Father, it clearly doesn't ... ... https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-texts-john8-42.htm

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Early Christian faith on Trinity, deity of Christ, personality ... Earliest Christians taught Trinity! (50 - 600 AD) Uninspired records of how early Christians worshipped and what doctrine they believed! Click to View Trinity Deity and eternal pre-existence of Jesus Christ Person & Personality of the Holy Spirit Click to View Regarding the "US", in Gen 1:26 "Let us make man in our image": Click to View Regarding two Yahweh's in Gen 19:24, "Then Yahweh rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from Yahweh out of heaven." 50 AD The Huleatt Manuscript 50 AD The Huleatt ... It is not diminished through the enkindling of the other, but remains as it was" (Dialogue with Trypho the Jew 61). 150 AD Justin Martyr "God speaks in the creation of man with the very same design, in the following words: 'Let us make man after our image and likeness' . . . I shall quote again the words narrated by Moses himself, from which we can indisputably learn that [God] conversed with someone numerically distinct from himself and also a rational being. . . . But this ... ... https://www.bible.ca/H-trinity.htm

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