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1: Hanson, Richard Patrick Crossland: The Search for the Christian ...
Click to View Click to View Decepto-Meter False Dilemma: Trinitarian Creates a false dilemma in the mind of the reader by projecting the false illusion that if Jesus is subordinate to the Father, that he cannot be God! Hanson, Richard Patrick Crossland: The Search for the Christian Doctrine of God, The Arian controversy 318-381 Quoted by Anti-Trinitarians "There is no theologian in the Eastern or the Western Church before the outbreak of the Arian Controversy [in the fourth century], who does not in some sense regard the Son as subordinate to the Father." (The Search for the Christian Doctrine of God, R. P. C. Hanson, as quoted by Anti-Trinitarians) Deception Exposed: We totally agree! Arians don't understand that many Trinitarians openly teach the subordination of Jesus and the Holy Spirit to the Father. Biblical Trinitarians teach that the Divine, eternally pre-existent Jesus, is subordinate to the Father. They misrepresent Grant by failing to note that he clearly states Jesus is ... ...
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2: Harnack, Adolf: Outlines of the History of Dogma
... with the Origenistic-Neo-Platonic doctrine of the subordinate Logos which is the spiritual principle of the world, ... Click to View Decepto-Meter A review of the value of Adolf von Harnack anti-Trinitarian authority By Perry Robinson ... I will examine these questions below. Adolf von Harnack was born in 1778 and was the son of a famous Lutheran theologian ... in 1885. The publication of the multivolume Dogmengeschichte introduced Harnack to a lifetime of theological controversy and lead to a painful break with his father. ... to this illusion to the end of his life, voiced the neo-Protestant credo as follows: the 'proper object of faith is not God in his revelation, but man himself believing in the divine." (Carl F.H. Henry, God, Revelation ... called 'modernism', a new phenomenon which has wrought unbelievable harm to the well-being of the Church of Jesus Christ. ... Press, 1984, p. 127) "The consequences of this false distinction between judgements of fact and judgements of ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Harnack.htm
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3: Part1: Pagan Section: Trinity Watchtower BOOKLET: Should You ...
Jehovah's Witnesses use it door to door to convert people to their false doctrine. Click to View Scroll Down in this frame to view You are in Part 1: Pagan ... So our entire future hinges on our knowing the true nature of God, and that means getting to the root of the Trinity controversy. Therefore, why not examine ... If John 17:3 excludes Jesus from being "True God", then Jesus is also excluded from being a Saviour or King. Click link for more. Various Trinitarian concepts exist. But generally the Trinity teaching is that in the Godhead there are three persons, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost; yet, together they are but one God. The doctrine says that the three are coequal, almighty, and uncreated, having existed eternally in the Godhead. Jesus is coequal with the Father being the same class of uncreated being, but not equal (subordinate) ... Eliade specifically includes the Arian view as a later development and not the original apostolic faith! But what is worse, notice the following quote from ... ...
...https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-JW-SYBTT-Watchtower-BOOKLET-Should-You-Believe-the-Trinity-EXPOSED-REFUTED-pagan-section.htm
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4: Trinity Attackers refuted! (Watchtower's: Should You Believe ...
Jehovah's Witnesses use it door to door to convert people to their false doctrine. Click to View Scroll Down in this frame to view You are in Part 1: Pagan ... So our entire future hinges on our knowing the true nature of God, and that means getting to the root of the Trinity controversy. Therefore, why not examine ... If John 17:3 excludes Jesus from being "True God", then Jesus is also excluded from being a Saviour or King. Click link for more. Various Trinitarian concepts exist. But generally the Trinity teaching is that in the Godhead there are three persons, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost; yet, together they are but one God. The doctrine says that the three are coequal, almighty, and uncreated, having existed eternally in the Godhead. Jesus is coequal with the Father being the same class of uncreated being, but not equal (subordinate) ... Eliade specifically includes the Arian view as a later development and not the original apostolic faith! But what is worse, notice the following quote from ... ...
...https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-frames-start-page-SYBTT.htm
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5: The Decepto-Meter goes crazy when you bring it near the Watchtower ...
... He trashes 99% of what both JW's and Trinitarians believe as from Pagan origin. JW's leave the impression that Weigall would exempt JW's from his comments! In fact, Weigall specifically addresses the Watchtower/Arian/Jw view of God known as Angel-Christology, stating that ... Secular JW's project the false impression that ancient Babylonians would not label the Watchtower version of God as a Triad. (Father-true God, Son-a created demi-god and Holy Spirit-the force or energy of God) Click to View Larousse Encyclopedia of Mythology Larousse Encyclopedia ... Gives false impression that author has no Biblical basis for believing in the divinity of Christ and the personality of the Holy Spirit (Biblical trinity) Grant, Robert M. Gods and the One God False Dilemma Trinitarian Creates a false dilemma in the mind of the reader by projecting the false illusion that if Jesus is subordinate to the Father, that he cannot be God! Hanson, R. P. C. The Search for the Christian Doctrine of God ... ...
...https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-jw-anti-trinity-booklet-decepto-meter.htm
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6: Catholic Encyclopedia's and Dictionaries
Click to View Click to View Decepto-Meter Deceptive quote & False Dilemma: Trinitarian Too many to number here. See below. Catholic Encyclopedia's and Dictionaries Click to View ... "The Trinity is the term employed to signify the of the Christian religion . . . Thus, in the words of the Athanasian Creed: 'the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy ... This the Church teaches is the revelation regarding 'God's nature which Jesus Christ, the Son of God came upon earth to deliver to the world: and which she ... but that it was first formulated in the second century and received final approbation in the fourth, as the result of the Arian and Macedonian controversies ... ... of these theologians is a Roman Catholic, is that a strictly elemental Trinitarianism is not at issue in the controversy, but presupposed by both parties. ... The unity of essence is not merely postulated by the strict monotheism of men nurtured in the religion of Israel ' to whom "subordinate deities" would have been ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Catholic.htm
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7: Trinity: The role of Constantine in the Nicene creed
Arius and Athanasius Click to View Constantius (Constantine's son) exiled and crushed by force, the Trinitarians Click to View ... Constantine had no knowledge of Christian doctrine. Constantine was personally involved in the "Donatus" controversy in 313 AD, 12 ... To suggest that Constantine introduced trinity doctrine from pagan sources is as preposterous as it is false. The majority opposed the Nicene creed because they viewed Jesus as a creature, not God. We will grant, for ... Future generations have tended to dub them "Semi-Arian." In fact they were simply concerned with maintaining the traditional ... Constantine, like his father, worshipped the Unconquered Sun; But there was Christian influence in his houselhold since he had a ... Luther was uneasy with the term trinity, not the idea of Trinity, for Luther most certainly always was a trinitarian. Luther did ... two interwoven ideas, one that the Son was God, the other that the Son was subordinate and inferior to the Father in divinity. ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-history-constantine.htm
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8: Encyclopædia Britannica
Click to View Click to View Decepto-Meter Satanic Quotes & False Dilemmas: Secular Extensive quoting that misleads the reader to a ... as the involvement in Donatism followed that of Maxentius; but the Arian heresy, with its intricate explorations, couched in difficult ... Both Arians and Trinitarians were influenced by Neoplatonic philosophy From the outset, the controversy between both parties [Arius & ... "Trinity, the doctrine of God taught by Christianity that asserts that God is one in essence but three in "person," Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in ... Greco-Roman paganism seemed to demand that the divine in Christ as the Word, or Logos, be interpreted as subordinate to the Supreme Being. ... only in the form of the dove and thus receded, to a large extent, in the Trinitarian speculation. Introduction of Neoplatonic themes. ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Britannica.htm
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9: Biblical Trinity is not borrowed from the pagans!
... opinion [Jehovah's Witnesses etc.], that the church doctrine of the Trinity sprang from Platonism and Neo-Platonism is therefore radically false. ... This attempt to save the oneness of God led, however, to an awkward consequence. For Jesus Christ, as the divine Logos become man, moves thereby to the side ... Stated differently, from the perspective of Hindus, there is NO REAL DIFFERENCE between the Arian (JW's) view of God and Hinduism. The "Father and the Son", as taught by JW's, are exactly the type of polytheistic ... Within the Watchtower article, Jehovah's Witnesses deliberately fail to tell you that Norton or Lamson is an anti-trinitarian. They always tell you when the ... Origenistic-Neo-Platonic doctrine of the subordinate Logos which is the spiritual principle of the world, carried out by means of the resources of the Aristotelian dialectics" (Outlines of the History of Dogma, Adolf Harnack, p251) From the outset, the controversy between both parties [Arius & Nicenes] took ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-pagan.htm
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10: Encyclopedia of Pentecostal ministries and preachers
... don't you examine your baptism of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, and that false 'trinity' it's so-called..." (William Braham, "Revelation Chapter Four #3 ... Movements, 96) William Branham insisted that "believers baptized by a Trinitarian formula must be rebaptized in the name of Jesus only." (Burgess and McGee, Pentecostal and Charismatic Movements, 95-96) ... bow to it" (William Branham, Conduct, Order, Doctrine Q and A, p. 182) "Father, Son, and Holy Ghost is offices of one God. He was the Father; He was the Son; He is the Holy Ghost. ... Charles Capps, Authority in Three Worlds (Tulsa, OK: Harrison House, 1982, p76-85) (Note: this is the Arian view of the Godhead taught by ... And in the garden of Eden He did that. He was not a little like God. He was not almost like God. He was not subordinate to God even. And Adam was as ... then tonight? This hue and cry and controversy that has been spawned by the devil to try to bring dissension within the body of Christ that we are gods. ... ...
...https://www.bible.ca/tongues-encyclopedia-pentecostal-preachers.htm
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11: Bible Only Revelation Commentary by Steven Rudd
... besides the Gospel, the first of the Epistles [1 John] is acknowledged without controversy by men of today as well as by the ancients, but the other two are disputed [2 & ... Jinn can be obedient to the Koran, but the Jinn must reject the Christian Trinity that God has a Son [Jesus] or a consort [Mary, mother of God]. Because of the false doctrine of Mariolatry, Muhammed misunderstood the trinity as Father, Mary and Jesus: "Some jinn listened and said: Surely we have heard a ... While the Bible teaches that Jesus is Creator God and the Holy Spirit is a person, the developed trinitarian formula seems over-emphasized and a bit early. c. Polycarp being ... He enacted that their decree should be valid, and as far superior to that of other judges as if pronounced by the emperor himself; that the governors and subordinate ... This was the only baptistery in Rome until the 5th century.] The easterners, on the other hand, claim that he was baptized on his death-bed in Nicomedia by the Arian ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/revelation/
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12: Sabbatatrians Refuted and Sabbath keepers Exposed: 2011 AD
... But let us not harbor the illusion that the day the nation has chosen is the exact same day on which Elohim rested, or ... converts to be circumcised that prevented any controversy over the official discontinuance of the ordinances of ... Father by one Spirit. 19Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God's people and members of God's household, 20built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus ... 14but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your ... It all begs the logical question, "how would one go about establishing a false belief held to be true when there is no ... In doing so, Jesus validated the principle that the Sabbath is subordinate to the Ordinance of Circumcision. He also ... the time span of the apostasy of the Church (for Newton this means the Trinitarian Church, chiefly the Catholics). ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/7-lying-for-god-Kerry-Wynne.htm
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13: Grant, Robert M.: Gods and the One God
Trinitarian Gives false impression that author has no Biblical basis for believing in the divinity of Christ and the personality of the Holy Spirit (Biblical trinity) Grant, Robert M.: Gods and the One God Quoted by Anti-Trinitarians What they failed to tell you "The Christology of the apologies, like that of the New Testament, is essentially subordinationist. The Son is always subordinate to the Father, who is the one God of the Old Testament. . . . What we find in these early authors, then, is not a doctrine of the Trinity . . . Before Nicaea, Christian theology was almost universally subordinationist." (Gods and the One God, Robert M. Grant, as quoted by Anti-Trinitarians) In any event, the passage [Phil 2:6-8] makes it plain that before Christ Jesus emptied himself ... They misrepresent Grant by failing to note that he clearly states Jesus is divine. Anti-Trinitarians create a false dilemma in the mind of the reader by projecting the false illusion that if Jesus is subordinate to the ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Grant.htm
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14: Arian (Jehovah's Witness) Subordination Refuted
Unitarian Subordination Refuted: Jehovah's Witnesses Submission doesn't make a wife less human than her husband. Submission doesn't make Jesus less God than the Father. Unitarian Subordination Defined "Arian subordination" is taught by Jehovah's Witnesses and Christadelphians. These false teachers use the fact that of Christ's subordination, to prove Jesus is not God, but a creature. They reason it is impossible for ... If the Father is greater because Jesus served Him, then Christians are greater than Christ, because Christ served us! Mark 10:45 "For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many." When Anti-Trinitarians can properly ... Conclusion: Anti-Trinitarians create a false dilemma in the mind of the reader by projecting the false illusion that if Jesus is subordinate to the Father, that he cannot be God! A wife is subordinate to her husband, but is equal in nature. Her rank is lower, but she is made of the identical stuff as ... ...
...https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-subordination-arian-refuted.htm
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15: Fortman, Edmund: The Triune God
Watchtower Deception exposed Although they identify Fortman as a Catholic, they project the false impression that Fortman either rejects trinity, or that he is willing to ... Nowhere do we find any trinitarian doctrine of three distinct subjects of divine life and activity in the same Godhead." (The Triune God, Edmund Fortman, quoted in, Should ... But it tells us nothing explicitly or by necessary implication of a Triune God who is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. If we take the New Testament writers together they tell us there is only one God, the creator and lord of the universe, who is the Father of Jesus. They call Jesus the Son of God, Messiah, Lord, ... Without doubt Paul attributes full divinity to Jesus ... Though at times he presents the Son as in some sense subordinate to the Father, he never makes the Son a creature. ... He openly declared that the Son was inferior to the Father and the Holy Spirit to the Son. But he was not an Arian subordinationist for he did not make the Son a creature ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Fortman.htm
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16: False Doctrine of Modalism: As taught by the United Pentecostal ...
Modalism: As taught by the United Pentecostal Church (UPCI) Click to View See also: "Sixty Questions On The Godhead" refuted A False View of God: Click to View Definition: Think of a being ... before the incarnation and it will cease at the second coming as per 1 Cor. 15:23-28. Modalists do teach that generally, God took the role of Father in the OT, the Son during Jesus life on earth, and the Holy Spirit during the "church age". ... that of the spirit to the flesh. (the controversy regarding patripassianism seems somewhat obscured at this late date. Cyprian and others claimed these Modalists were Patripassians); Sabellius denied that he was a Patripassian. (Schaff admits that the Patripassians did not mean a real suffering but only a sympathy. Would any Trinitarian claim that God the father had no ... All Arians are Subordinationists, but not all Subordinationists are Arians. Woman is to be subordinate to her husband in role, but is still equal before God as a being. God the son, is ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-modalism.htm
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17: Eliade, Mircea: Encyclopedia of Religion
Click to View Click to View Decepto-Meter Deceptive Quote & False Dilemma: Trinitarian Source views Logos Christology as influence by Greek paganism and an intermediate bridge between apostolic teaching and Arianism. & Creates false dilemma that if "explicit details" of trinity are not in the Bible that Jesus is a creature . Eliade, Mircea: Encyclopedia of Religion Click to View "theologians today are ... In the immediate post New Testament period of the Apostolic Fathers no attempt was made to work out the God-Christ (Father-Son) relationship in ontological terms.(The Encyclopedia of Religion, Mircea Eliade, ... But Eliade clearly states that the ontology (stuff God is made of) was not even considered until the later centuries. He specifically includes the Arian view as a later development and not ... Still, doctrinal statements are inherently limited; they address specific points of controversy, leaving other questions unsettled and sometimes creating new problems. Conciliar statements ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Eliade.htm
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18: Trinity: Arius and the Nicene Creed
I, p.509) "Arianism: Up to this point the Trinitarian debate had taken place entirely in the West. We now move to the East, where the debate became a great controversy. It lasted sixty years, involved the entire eastern church, the western church in part, and occupied the ... Therefore, God "adopted" Jesus after his crucifixion and resurrection and gave him a sort of deity. Three synods in Antioch dealt with Paul's teaching, and the third one (in 269) condemned and excommunicated Paul. These views deeply influenced Arius. Like the western Adoptionists, he was concerned about the unity of God. Therefore, he taught that the Father alone is without a beginning. The Son ... "Arianism is a union of adoptionism with the Origenistic-Neo-Platonic doctrine of the subordinate Logos which is the spiritual principle of the world, carried out ... in God. (R. P. C. Hanson, The Search for the Christian Doctrine of God, The Arian controversy 318-381, p838) In the New Testament affirmations about the Son ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-history-arius.htm
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19: Trinity proof texts: John 10:30-33
... Father is in Me, and I in the Father" v38. Each time he said this, the Jews wanted to stone him. In fact, Ps 82 may have sent them into deep thought so when He made the proclamation a second time, they concluded, "He's blasphemed again!" This proves the Arian interpretation wrong because it ... The Jews could not reconcile Ps 82 with the false view that only YHWH is called "god" (Elohim). Perhaps what Jesus was saying was something like this: "I am going to bring up a theological discussion you have been having lately about what Ps 82:6 is saying. Since I have been going around calling myself the "Son of God", you have been wondering how to ... God intended to call these men "gods" and "sons of God". God obviously knew that Ps 82 would always be a flash point of controversy and we must ask why God would do such? ... Three interpretations of what the passage is saying: I. The Correct Trinitarian paraphrase/interpretation: "When I said, "I and the Father are one", you should rightly ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-texts-john10-30.htm
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20: Boer, Harry R.: A Short History of the Early Church
Click to View Click to View Decepto-Meter Deceptive quote: Trinitarian Leaves out the comment that JW's theology is of pagan origin. Boer, Harry R.: A ... the Reason or Mind of God. . . . Justin and the other Apologists therefore taught that the Son is a creature. He is a high creature, a creature powerful enough to create the world but, nevertheless, a creature. In theology this relationship of the Son to the Father is called subordinationism. The Son is subordinate, that is, secondary to, dependent upon, and caused by the Father. ... Boer, therefore is saying that the faith of Justin Martyr that Jesus is a "created divine being" originated with Greek mythology and not the New ... Hence the argument that Constantine is the catalyst of trinity doctrine is no stronger than the argument that Constantius is the catalyst of Arian ... This was the question before the councils of Nicaea in 325 and Constantinople in 381. The controversy to which this question led laid the basis for the ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Boer.htm
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21: Werner, Martin: The Formation of Christian Dogma
The Primitive Christian conception of the Messiah as a high angelic being also explains for us the fact, which is of great doctrinal importance, that in the Primitive Christian era there was no sign of any kind of Trinitarian problem or controversy, such as ... Wherever in the New Testament the relationship of Jesus to God, the Father, is brought into consideration, whether with reference to his appearance as a man or to his Messianic status, it is conceived of and represented categorically as subordination. And ... In this respect it had hitherto been no less sensitive than Modalism. Thus Arius argued that a Son, who was, in like sense as God the Father, 'eternal' and consequently god-like, would no more be the Son, but the Brother of the Father. ... The essential point, however, is the fact that all the new problems, which forced themselves upon Christianity in late Antiquity and with which it had unceasingly to contend as capital issues, owing to this false policy, were problems ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Werner.htm
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22: Commentary on what the early Christians believed about the Trinity
Edmund Fortman, introduction, p.xv, p43, p59-61) The Apostolic Fathers: The Apostolic Fathers wrote between A.D. 90 and 140. Their discussion of the person of Jesus Christ simply repeated the teaching of the New Testament. ... In spite of incoherencies, however, the lineaments of a Trinitarian doctrine are clearly discernible in the Apologists. The Spirit was for them the Spirit of God; like the Word, He shared the divine nature, being (in ... the Father, God the Son and the Holy Spirit, and declare both Their power in union and Their distinction in order'. This order, however, was not intended to suggest degrees of subordination within the Godhead; it belonged to the Triad as manifested in creation and revelation." (Early Christian Doctrines, J.N.D. Kelly, p 102) Nicene Era "There is no theologian in the Eastern or the Western Church before the outbreak of the Arian Controversy [in the fourth century], who does not in some sense regard the Son as subordinate to the Father." (The ... ...
...https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-history-apostolic-fathers.htm
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23: Earnest Haenchen: 1984 English translation of Haenchen's commentary ...
They overlook the fact that Haenchen comes right out and says Jesus is not a creature. They again confuse modalism with trinitarian theology. ... In fact, for the author of the hymn [in John 1:1], as for the Evangelist, only the Father was 'God' (ho theos) ; 'the Son' was subordinate to ... In that passage Paul depicts just such a divine being, who later became man in Jesus Christ. . . . Thus, in both Philippians and John 1:1 it ... W. Funk., as quoted by the Watchtower, December 15, 1985, p 25; Note: patripassianism is the heresy that teaches that God the Father died on the cross. ... Just like a husband and wife share the same class of being yet the husband has rank over the wife, so too with the Father and the son. ... quoting, mislead the reader to conclude that Haenchen is arguing in favour of the Watchtower's Arian view of Jesus as a lessor created god. ... Funk likely added the "god" because there are texts where "theos" can refer to "a false god". Such redefining of words is a trademark of all ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Haenchen.htm
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24: Lohse, Bernard: A Short History of Christian Doctrine
... Constantine had a good understanding of Christianity. What Lohse means and Britannica confirms: "the Arian heresy, with its intricate explorations, couched in difficult Greek, of the precise nature of the ... So the fact that Lohse says Constantine had little understanding and that Trinity is not found in the Bible projects the false impression that such facts refute the fact that Jesus is divine and the Holy ... about God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. Some passages present triadic formulas. They are called "triadic," and not "trinitarian," because they name Father, Son, and Spirit alongside one another without reflecting upon the oneness of God and, hence, do not yet contain a doctrine of the Trinity. (A Short History of Christian Doctrine, Bernard Lohse, 1966, p37-39) When in the year 324 Constantine the Great, after his victory over Licinius, had become ruler also of the eastern part of the Roman Empire, lie found the Eastern church embroiled in bitter controversy. ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Lohse.htm
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25: Trinity proof texts: Philippians 2:5-8
... Introduction to Philippians 2:6-8: 1. TRUTH: When God the son, creator, emptied himself of equality with God the Father, and became a man through the incarnation, and submissive to the Father forever, THAT is an example of humility that is both rational and amazing! Jesus ... They say that this was the devil's mistake in trying to be equal with God (without scriptural proof of course). But even if that was true it still doesn't help them in Phil 2:6. Our approach lays the axe at the root of the false doctrine! c. The "Arian View" of the Phil 2:6 violates the context as much as it is an assault on logic. The Jehovah's Witnesses, for example, claim that Jesus being a creature, showed us an example of ... God and fully man -- God manifest in the flesh. Anderson, G. W., Trinitarian Bible Society, Quarterly Record no. 538, 1997, Anti Kenotic ... That was impossible. He continued to be the Son of God. There has arisen a great controversy on this word, a [Kenosis] doctrine. Undoubtedly ... ...
...https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-texts-philippians2-6.htm
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26: Trinity proof texts: John 8:58
Click to View The circus of Watchtower grammatical flip flops Click to View Anti-Trinitarian rebuttals Jesus Echoes Jehovah! Click to View Another important ... This is what Jesus meant when He said, "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad." (John 8:56) click here for detailed look at ... To this we reply, that if Celsus had known that saying," I and My Father are one," and the words used in prayer by the Son of God, "As Thou and I are one, he would not have supposed that we worship any other besides ... It is significant that Jesus warned that false Christs would walk around saying, "I am" (predicateless) in order to mislead many. "See to it that you be not ... John 15:27 uses the same verb for it's main clause [eimi] as does John 8:58 in the same tense form (present) and is also modified by a subordinate adverbial ... Anti-Trinitarian rebuttal #6 refuted Click here for detailed examination of Arian Biased translations. The corresponding Greek rendering, observing "tenses" ... ...
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27: Bulwarks of the Faith Foy E Wallace JR. Refuting Dogmas Catholicism ...
... Their effort was to subsidize it to certain large in-terests and subordinate it, the whole church, to their plans VIEWING THE WALLS of aggression and aggrandizement. But the church ... The rivalry between the popes and the emperors continued until the struggle for chief place in Christendom burst into revolution-the impulse of the controversy gave birth to the ... reside therein shall enjoy the public exercise of their own worship. 2. Moreover, it is false that the civil liberty of every mode of wor-ship, and the full power given to all of ... Published in the Third Session, held April 24, 1870 Pius, Bishop, Servant of the Servants of God, with the Approval of the Sacred Council, for Perpetual Remembrance. Our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and Redeemer of Man-kind, before returning to his heavenly Father, ... HISTORY OF VATICAN COUNCIL, ETC. Pope Liberius, in 358, subscribed an Arian creed for the purpose of regaining his episcopate, and condemned Athanasius, 'the father of orthodoxy,' ... ...
...https://www.bible.ca/catholic/Catholic-church-doctrine-Bulwarks-of-the-Faith-Foy-E-Wallace-JR-Refuting-Dogmas-Catholicism-Protestant-Denominationalism-1951AD.htm
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28: George Salmon's Infallibiliy of the church
... certainty on the subject; for if the Church had any tradition in the time of Augustine, that great Father would have known it. [ 133-34] c. ... insist on keeping out of communion a man elsewhere condemned for false doctrine, without investigating his case, if he protested that he ... When they met together there was good reason for thinking that the blessing of God would rest on their deliberations. Yet even the most ... If to consult the Bishop of Rome would have settled the Arian controversy, his opinion could have been had with little expense or trouble. Yet the ... revenge a private quarrel rather than to promote the interests of Jesus Christ," I should say no more than was said by good and impartial ... of faith in which thou hast called me the Son of the living God,' as Hilary, and Gregory Nyssen, and Chrysostom, and Cyril of Alexandria. ... The teaching of the Church on this point would have been in all places the same; for this is not a subordinate doctrine, a true tradition ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/cath-salmon-infallibility.htm
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29: "KJV Only" advocates refuted!
... There errors are typical of types of errors men make when they copy things and make absolutely no doctrinal difference. Jesus promised that ... "All things have been handed over to Me by My Father, and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, and who the Father is except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him." ... As ridiculous as it is unfounded and without proof! The last gasp of a dying false doctrine! #4: The fact is, the marginal readings are NOT THE WORDS OF GOD and the TEXT IS. The translators did not KNOW that they were ... of the final chapter of I John, namely the Trinitarian statement concerning 'the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. ... or edited on the Bible translation "controversy," and yet Fuller is a " founding father " & " leading light " of the KJV- Only " movement " ! ... But of course the greatest illusion about the King James Bible is that it is the sole, unique, divine Bible, untouched by human hands. This ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/b-kjv-only.htm
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30: Personal Evangelism 101
... However, this is difficult today because of the need to do so much UNTEACHING with many prospects. This usually only is appropriate when the prospect has not been ingrained with some false concepts about ... detail of what a future life of service to God may involve. Jesus made this clear, when He gave the great commission and ordered His disciples to go into all the world and make disciples, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, "teaching them to observe whatsoever I have commanded you and lo I will be with you always even unto the end of the age." ... A dispute in the church regarding the nature of Christ on earth called the Arian controversy came to a climax around 318 A.D. Greek gnosticism taught that the physical body was corrupt and sinful and therefore ... Christian Science (1875) Mary Baker Eddy had a "revelation" which told her, among other things, that pain is just an illusion. It flourished in New England and Christian Science reading rooms are found ... ...
...https://www.bible.ca/evangelism/e-brent-hunters-evangelism-101.htm
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31: TRINITY: Christology: Diety and Humanity of our Savour!
We pray to Jesus as God 1. Command: Jn 14:14; 1 Cor 1:2; Eph 5:19; Acts 8:22 2. Example: Rev 22:20, 2 Cor 12:7-9, Acts 7; Acts 8:24 3. Necessary inference: 1 Jn 5:11-15, Acts 1:24; Heb 7:25 God the Son, becomes a man Incarnation of Jesus Philippians: 2:1-11 Detailed study of Phil 2:6 Logical Fallacies lead to false conclusions: Unitarian False dilemmas exposed 1. God cannot be tempted 2. Jesus was tempted 3. Conclusion: Jesus cannot be God Trinitarian False dilemmas exposed 1. God cannot be tempted 2. Jesus is God 3. Conclusion: Jesus was never tempted Introduction: 1. God the Son is Jesus Christ (Messiah) a. Eternally pre-existent b. Creator not a creature: Rom 1:25 c. God, but distinct from the Father and the Holy ... Paul makes Christ's eternal pre-existence more explicit than the Synoptists did. If at times he sees the Son as in some sense subordinate to the Father, yet he never makes Him a creature but always puts Him on the side of the creator. 6. The Divinity of Christ is ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-deity-of-christ.htm
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32: Textbook of Disturbances of Mental Life, Johann Christian August ...
... This illusion, and the consequent error, is called madness. Madness is a disease of the reason and not of the soul, but it originates from the ... insanity are a loss of freedom is an interesting parallel to what Jesus said, "the truth will set you free" and Paul "in sin we are held ... (I. Sam. 16, 14); "And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so ... flourished in post-Hippocratic times, up to the disappearance of all true and false science in the so-called barbarism of the Middle Ages. ... After the Father of Medicine, he is the first writer worthy of our consideration. He lived one hundred years before Galen, and in the preface ... By that time medicine had radically changed, owing to the controversy between the empiricists and the rationalists, and Celsus' steady, clear ... and mania, complete with their special and their subordinate manifestations, in exact order, with diligence, erudition, and practical skill. ... ...
...https://www.bible.ca/psychiatry/textbook-of-disturbances-of-mental-life-or-the-disturbances-of-the-soul-and-their-treatment-johann-christian-august-heinroth-1818ad.htm
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33: Larousse Encyclopedia of Mythology
Click to View Click to View Decepto-Meter Deceptive Quote: Secular JW's project the false impression that ancient Babylonians would not label the Watchtower version of God as a Triad. (Father-true God, Son-a created demi-god and Holy Spirit-the force or energy of God) Larousse Encyclopedia of Mythology Click to View How the quote appears in "Should you believe in the Trinity", Watchtower, JW's ... Just as the lesser Babylonian gods called Anu as their "Father", so too JW's and Trinitarians, even all Christians believe that Jehovah is called "Father" by Jesus. But it gets worse for JW's! Just as the Babylonians view Anu the supreme God over lesser gods. JW's view Jehovah as ... ancient Babylonians they would immediately label JW's as a religion who believe in a triad concept of God very similar to themselves. (Trinitarians) Stated differently, from the perspective of ancient Babylonian there is NO REAL DIFFERENCE between the Trinitarian view of God and the Arian (JW's) view of God. ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Larousse.htm
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34: Trinity proof texts: John 17:3
Conversely, Jesus is called the "Only Teacher, (Matt 23:8,10, Mt 10:24 and Jn 13:13), "Only Master" (Jude 4, 2 Peter 2:1), and "Only Lord" (Jude 4, Eph 4:4, 1 Cor 8:4,6, Mt 6:24). If John 17:3 excludes Jesus from being "True God", then the Father is also excluded from being our Teacher, Master or Lord. Click to View False Arian argument stated: It is obvious that Jesus and the Father are not the same person, but two ... Anti-Trinitarian rebuttals: Anti-Trinitarian faulty argument #1 Jehovah's Witnesses falsely argue that the Father is the top God, prime/source saviour and top king and Jesus is merely secondary as a derived god, saviour and king second to the Father. They appeal to the following ... This argument is invalidated by the fact that, according to the same JW argument, Jesus is the top teacher, master and lord and the Father is secondary/derived! This is something that anti-Trinitarians cannot accept proving their initial argument proves more than they like. The Son ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-texts-john17-3.htm
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35: Kung, Hans: Christianity and the World Religions
Click to View Click to View Decepto-Meter Satanic Quote: Trinitarian JW's quote Kung, and project the false view that they would have an easier time converting Muslims to Watchtower view of God, (where they call Jesus Lord, a God, and Messiah) than Trinitarians to the Triune God. They failed to tell you this that Kung said: "the decisive Christian ... For the Christian Church, however, the central issue shifted, over the course of time, to the person of Jesus and his relation to God. And the controversy between Christianity and Islam remains wholly ... And he was." (Koran, Surah 3:59) Muslims reject the resurrection of Jesus, saying he never really died: "That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they ... Admittedly, the Qur'an labors under the misapprehension, possibly based on certain apocalyptic traditions, that the Trinity consists of God the Father, Mary the Mother of God, and Jesus the Son of God. But even ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Kung.htm
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36: International Standard Bible Encyclopedia (ISBE)
Click to View Click to View Decepto-Meter Deceptive Quote: Trinitarian Leaves the false impression that ISBE reject trinity, that Jesus is a creature and that Trinity had no foundation in scripture, but is of pagan origin. International Standard Bible Encyclopedia (ISBE) What Anti-Trinitarians quote: "In the earliest thinking of the Church the tendency when speaking of God the Father is to conceive of Him first, not as the Father of Jesus Christ, but as the source of all being. Hence God the Father ... It is He who has made all things, including the very stuff of creation, out of nothing. . . . This might seem to suggest that the Father alone is properly God and the Son and Spirit are only secondarily so. Many early statements appear to ... Our comment The quote does not say that early Christians viewed Jesus as a creature, but rather as subordinate to the Father. This, in fact, is what Trinitarians openly admit to! But in the very first sentence of the article, ISBE clearly ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-ISBE.htm
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37: Subordination within the Godhead: Roles and Ranks
"Arian subordination" is taught by Jehovah's Witnesses and Christadelphians. These false teachers use the fact that of Christ's subordination, to prove Jesus is not God, but a creature. They reason it is impossible for God to serve, and if He does, he ceases being God. Click to View Unitarian subordination refuted Click to View The Historical Development of "Arian style" (Jehovah's Witness) Subordination Athanasian Creed rejects subordination The Roman Catholic and Evangelical Position: Of course, at the other end of the scale are another set of false teachers who deny Jesus was subordinate to the Father in any way. They just blindly deny the many clear Bible passages and adopt the "Athanasian Creed" which says, "So likewise the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Spirit almighty. ... And in this Trinity ... none is greater or less than another. But the whole three persons are ... coequal." While the vast majority of the "Athanasian Creed" is much closer to the ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-subordination.htm
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38: John Calvin: Commentary On The Gospel According To John (Translated ...
Click to View Click to View Decepto-Meter False Dilemma: Trinitarian Jehovah's Witnesses create a false dilemma in an effort to prove their interpretation of John 10:30. They try to project the idea that if Jesus was not teaching He was "made of the same stuff as the Father", then he was a creature. In fact, the passage clearly proves Jesus was divine, because twice the Jews wanted to stone Jesus for making himself out as being God. Jesus never denied he was God. John Calvin: Commentary On The Gospel According To John; A new translation, from the ... They only err in this, that they do not design to contemplate his Divinity, which was conspicuous in his miracles. He clears himself of the crime charged against him, not by denying that he is the Son of God, but by ... Deception exposed: JW's project the false illusion that if Christ was not teaching he was "made of the same stuff" as the Father, that he is therefore a creature. In fact, Calvin was merely observing what Biblical ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Calvin.htm
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39: Kittel, Gerhard: Theological Dictionary of the New Testament
do not exclude the Arian view (JW's) of God from his comment, for JW's are just as "polythesitic" as trinitarians, FROM A PAGAN POINT OF VIEW.. But notice that Kittle dismisses this possible thought and gives his opinion that trinitarian doctrine had it origin in the Old Testament, and not PAGANISM. By creating a false dilemma and selective quoting, they deceive the reader into drawing a false conclusion. Notice that although Kittel admits, like all Trinitarians do, that the developed doctrine of the Nicene Trinity is not in the Scripture, but that early Christians believed Jesus was divine and rejected Jesus was a ... So at best, Arians who argue that "only-begotten" proves Jesus is a creature are in the same type of situation Bible believers are in when they say the term "Son of God" applied to ... What this means is that although Kittel says that "only-begotten" might imply the origin of Jesus is the Father, he rejects that this means Jesus is a creature, even if that is the ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Kittel.htm
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40: Anti-Trinity Proof Texts Refuted: Galatians 4:14
you in my bodily condition you did not despise or loathe, but you received me as an angel of God, as Christ Jesus Himself." Click to View False Arian argument stated: The two expressions "angel of God" and "Christ Jesus Himself" prove that Jesus is an angel or is simply called an angel. ... Or "You did not despise me when we first met, but gave me full honor and respect as thought I were a rich man, a king, apostle Peter, an angel, Jesus Christ, the Father." Background: Paul, at the time he penned the Galatian letter, ... Anti-Trinitarian rebuttals: Anti-Trinitarian faulty argument #1 By way of Hebrew Parallelism, where the same thing is repeated twice in different ways for emphasis, "Jesus" is the "angel of God". That Jesus is outright called an angel ... God has functioned many times as his own divine messenger, does that make God an ANGEL? The giving of the Ten Commandments directly to Moses and the voice from heaven, "This is my Son" in the Gospels are just a few examples of God ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-texts-galatians4-14.htm
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41: Trinity proof texts: John 5:18
The sabbath controversy allowed Jesus to give one of the most compete statements of his divine nature. No where does the Bible say that Jesus did not break the sabbath. Anti-Trinitarian rebuttals: Anti-Trinitarian rebuttal #1 "Another scripture offered as support for the Trinity is John 5:18. It says that the Jews (as at John 10:31-36) wanted to kill Jesus because "he was also calling God his own Father, making himself equal to God." But who said that Jesus was making himself equal to God? Not Jesus. He defended himself against this false charge." (Jehovah's Witnesses, Watchtower, "Should You Believe in the Trinity?") Anti-Trinitarian rebuttal #1 refuted Jehovah's Witnesses know they are in deep trouble with this verse ... We merely bring to your attention that there was no stated exception in the law of Moses for carrying a sick man on a pallet on the Sabbath day. Yet we have Jesus as proof that such exceptions existed in the mind of God when He argued that lifting an injured son who ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-texts-john5-18.htm
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42: Biblical Subordination expressed by early Fathers and apologists ...
It is not surprising that the Nicene Creed overemphasizes the equality of Christ with the Father, since Arius' doctrine of a created Christ was its primary target. The purpose of the Nicene Creed was to emphasize Jesus was equal to the Father as a class of being, and here it was absolutely correct. But the Nicene Creed overemphasized the rank and power equality of Christ with the father, and here it was in error. 200 AD ... In this way also, as He is Spirit of Spirit and God of God, He is made a second in manner of existence-in position, not in nature; and He did not withdraw from the original source, but went forth." (Tertullian, The Apology, chapter 21) "There is no theologian in the Eastern or the Western Church before the outbreak of the Arian Controversy, who does not in some sense regard the Son as subordinate to the Father." (The Search for the Christian Doctrine of God, R. P. C. Hanson) "Arianism: Before Nicaea, Christian theology was almost universally ... ...
...https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-subordination-fathers.htm
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43: Frend, W.H.C.: The Rise of Christianity
Click to View Click to View Decepto-Meter Deceptive quote: Trinitarian Gives false impression that the majority who opposed the Nicene creed believed Jesus is a creature and portray Constantine as practically the author of the Nicene Creed. Frend, W.H.C.: The Rise of Christianity How the Anti-Trinitarians Paraphrased the source "the controversial term, defining the son as Consubstantial with [homoousios] the father was introduced by Constantine. The term was objectionable to any Origenist bishop and had been rejected by Dionysius ... Future generations have tended to dub them "Semi-Arian." In fact they were simply concerned with maintaining the traditional Logos-theology of the Greek-speaking Church" Anti-Trinitarians deceive you into thinking that the "majority who disliked" the Nicene creed, were aligned with the Arians who taught Jesus was a creature. The "majority who disliked" firmly believed that Jesus was God, they didn't like the Greek terms used to describe Jesus deity, not ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Frend.htm
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44: How the Koran and Muslims view of Jesus Christ
that they would have an easier time converting Muslims to Watchtower view of God, (where they call Jesus Lord, a God, and Messiah) than Trinitarians to the Triune God. The fact that Muslims reject the resurrection of Jesus says it all! ... It is utterly incredible that the Watchtower or any Arian would quote from Muslims as proof that trinity is pagan false doctrine! Muslims, quote modernists like Reade to trash all of Christianity, just like Anti-Trinitarians quote from Weigall, ... Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on ... and explain their view of God (Father-true God, Son-a god and Holy Spirit-the force or energy of God) Muslims would immediately label JW's as TRINITARIANS or TWINITARIANS! Stated differently, from the perspective of Muslims there is NO REAL DIFFERENCE between the Trinitarian view of God and the Arian (JW's) view of God. ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Koran.htm
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45: Brown, Colin: New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology
False Dilemma: Trinitarian Selected quotes mislead reader to wrong conclusion & Give false impression that if intimate details of trinity are not in the Bible that Jesus is a creature. Brown, Colin: New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology Click to View How the quote appears in "Should you believe in the Trinity", Watchtower, Jw's booklet. The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology similarly states: "The N[ew] T[estament] does not contain the developed doctrine of the Trinity. 'The Bible lacks the express declaration that the Father, the Son, ... There are threefold formulae listing the Persons in such passages as Matt. 28:19; Jn. 14:26; 15:26; 2 Cor. 13:13; 1 Pet. 1:2 (---> God, art. theos NT 8). There seems to be no precursor of this idea in any ... They fail to tell you that the Bible says that God is a "spirit", so according the Arian logic, that means that the Father has no personality either! "The NT writers can speak of the (human) spirit as ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Brown.htm
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46: Muller, James Arthur: Creeds and Loyalty
Click to View Click to View Decepto-Meter False Dilemma: Trinitarian Anti-Trinitarians create a false dilemma by projecting the false impression in the mind of the reader that if the "Formulated trinity doctrine" (of ... to the Father He is spoken of as 'in the second place.'" (Creeds and Loyalty, James Arthur Muller, Episcopal professor of church history, p9) Our comment Biblical Trinitarians totally agree with this quote! The Athanasius creed is nothing more than human attempts to describe the raw Biblical date of the trinity, namely the deity of Christ and the personality of the Holy Spirit. Although they correctly define the Son and Holy Spirit as persons of God, they err in their view that the three are equal and not subordinate. Deception Exposed: The deception is that anti-Trinitarians create a false dilemma by projecting the false impression in the mind of the reader that if the "Formulated trinity doctrine" (of the Athanasius creed) is not in the Bible that Jesus is a ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Muller.htm
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47: Hastings, James: Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics
Nor is it only in historical religions that we find God viewed as a Trinity. One recalls in particular the Neo-Platonic view of the Supreme or Ultimate Reality," which is ... In Indian religion e.g., we meet with the trinitarian group of Brahma, siva, and Visnu; and in Egyptian religion with the trinitarian group of Osiris, Isis, and Horus, constituting a divine family, like the Father, Mother, and Son in medieval Christian pictures. Nor is it only ... The first Christians had with St. Paul a saving experience of the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and of the love of God, and of the communion of the Holy Ghost; and the ... In absolute deception, the Watchtower writers, who understands the difference between economic and ontological trinity, create a false dilemma in the mind of the reader by ... or TWINITARIANS! Stated differently, from the perspective of Hindus, there is NO REAL DIFFERENCE between the Trinitarian view of God and the Arian (JW's) view of God. ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Hastings.htm
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48: Development from the trinity as taught in the Bible and the trinity ...
In other words, Jw's firmly believe in doctrinal development in the 20th century, how can they deny it at Nicea in 325 AD? We of course maintain that doctrinal development is a false teaching and believe the ... made to work out the God-Christ (Father-Son) relationship in ontological terms. By the end of the fourth century, and owing mainly to the challenge posed by various heresies, theologians went beyond the immediate testimony of the Bible and also beyond liturgical and creedal expressions of trinitarian faith to the ontological trinity of coequal persons "within" God. ... Arians willingly recited these affirmations but read into them their own meaning. To preclude this Arian abuse of the Scripture affirmations Nicea transposed these Biblical affirmations into ontological ... for generally speaking the New Testament is less intent upon setting forth certain doctrines than it is upon proclaiming the kingdom of God, a kingdom that dawns in and with the person of Jesus Christ. ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-development.htm
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49: The Error of the Catholic Nicene Trinity
The simple affirmation of the "three-ness of God", seen at the Baptism of Jesus and the baptism of every Christian, is the Economic Trinity. Vs. The developed trinity or ontological ... Economic Trinity: The observed activity of God in the World (that is, early Christians perceived and believed God to have directly intervened in history in the persons of the Father, Son and Spirit) Vs. Essential Trinity: A more formal understanding of the ... As you read the quotes below, it is essential for you to identify the "Trinity that is found in the Bible" vs. the "Trinity that is not found in the Bible"! All the Trinitarian authors ... in the New Testament, but that it was first formulated in the second century and received final approbation in the fourth, as the result of the Arian and Macedonian controversies ... ... exclusively with the words of Scripture, but the very use of Scripture in the Arian controversy forced them to introduce a non-biblical word [Homoousios means of the same essence or ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-catholic-nicene.htm
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50: Hertz, Dr. J. H.: The Pentateuch and Haftorahs
"I Am" of Jesus in John 8:58. The fact remains that when the Watchtower searched long and hard enough, they finally found a Rabbi that would say what they wanted. We could quote a pile of Rabbi's who are honest enough to admit that Ex 3 should be rendered "I am who I am"... "I am" Deception Exposed: For Arians (JW's, Christadelphians) to appeal to Jewish Rabbis to support their false doctrine is nothing short of incredible! Doing such is as dishonest as it is deceptive! JW's have not comprehended that if they had the Governing Body themselves sit down and explain their view of God (Father-true God, Son-a god and Holy Spirit-the force or energy of God) Jewish Rabbis would reach for the "wooden stake" and immediately label JW's as TRINITARIANS or TWINITARIANS! Stated differently, from the perspective of Jewish Rabbis there is NO REAL DIFFERENCE between the Trinitarian view of God and the Arian (JW's) view of God. Jewish Rabbis, when they hear JW's call Jesus God and divine, ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Hertz.htm
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