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What Early Christians believed about BAPTISM What did early Christians believe about...? (Before 400 AD) Uninspired records of how early Christians worshipped and what doctrine they believed! Click to View Water Baptism Essential to Salvation Water Baptism in name of Father ... Then they are brought by us where there is water, and are regenerated in the same manner in which we were ourselves regenerated. For, in the name of God, the Father and Lord of the universe, and of our Savior Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit, they then receive the washing with water. For Christ ... But these words were written to the Corinthians in regard of the circumstances of that particular time; seeing that schisms and dissensions were agitated among them, while one attributes everything to Paul, another to Apollos. For ... Council of Carthage Under Cyprian, September, 258 AD, Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 5, pg. 565) 200-258 AD CARTHAGE "Victor of Gor said: Since sins are not remitted save in the baptism of the Church, he who admits a heretic to communion ... ... https://www.bible.ca/H-baptism.htm

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Hanson, Richard Patrick Crossland: The Search for the Christian ... Click to View Click to View Decepto-Meter False Dilemma: Trinitarian Creates a false dilemma in the mind of the reader by projecting the false illusion that if Jesus is subordinate to the Father, that he cannot be God! Hanson, Richard Patrick Crossland: The Search for the Christian Doctrine of God, The Arian controversy 318-381 Quoted by Anti-Trinitarians "There is no theologian in the Eastern or the Western Church before the outbreak of the Arian Controversy [in the fourth century], who does not in some sense regard ... A wife is subordinate to her husband, but is equal in nature. Her rank is lower, but she is made of the identical stuff as the man! What else they failed to quote: "A characteristic exegetical ploy of the Arians was to invoke texts in the interests of what might be called 'reductionism', that is to say they would try to reduce the value of the titles given (or thought to be given) to Christ in the Bible by showing that they were also applied in the Bible to quite ... ... https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Hanson.htm

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Norton, Andrews: A Statement of reasons for not believing the ... Accurate quoting but, Self-quoting: Self-Quoting: Unitarian No need to misrepresent this guy! He is one of them... A fellow-Arian. To quote a Unitarian theologian, as an authority to prove the pagan origin of Trinity, is about as trustworthy and believable as quoting the a Catholic Bishop to prove that Peter was the first Pope! Norton, Andrews: A Statement of reasons for not believing the doctrines of the Trinitarians concerning the nature of God and the person of Christ Click to View "In the book A Statement of Reasons, Andrews Norton says of the Trinity: 'We can trace the history of this doctrine, and discover its source, not in the Christian revelation, but in the Platonic philosophy . . . The ... with him in his religious views, and who knew him in the fulness of his fine powers" (A Statement of Reasons, Andrews Norton, 1872, Fifth edition, American Unitarian Association, Boston, MA) p ix, biographical notice) That Norton is the leader of an Anti-trinitarian "Unitarian" church. ... ... https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Norton.htm

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Why I left the Roman Catholic church! (personal testimony) Catholics are not allowed, and especially are not encouraged to hear both sides regarding truth and error. They are not to read books which differ from their doctrine. Thus, they are encouraged by the clergy to be closed minded to anything which differs from ... All Scriptural quotations that I will be giving are from Catholic translations. 2 Tim. 3:15-17 says, "And because from thy infancy thou hast known the holy scriptures, which can instruct thee to salvation, by faith which is Christ Jesus. All scripture, inspired of God, is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice, that the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work." Thus, the apostle Paul by the inspiration of God, says to ... Out Of Paganism Grew The Papacy The empire of pagan Rome, like unto a cruel beast, truly wore the name of blasphemy. It was called the Holy Roman Empire. Can an empire be holy which killed the saints and supported with all its strength a worship of force and ... ... https://www.bible.ca/cath-why-I-left.htm

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"Hostile witness approach" misused by the Watchtower Here is the Satanic deception: EVERY SINGLE ONE of the men they quote who say Trinity is a pagan borrowed doctrine, are themselves anti-Christian, Bible trashing, liberal, modernist agnostics and atheists! This is not the hostile witness at all! A hostile witness means that a fellow Trinitarian admits Trinity was borrowed from the Pagans. Had they been honest and said: "The scholar that says "Trinity is pagan", is not a Trinitarian. In fact he doesn't even believe the Bible and doesn't even believe in God... In fact in the very next sentence he says, "Not only is Trinity a pagan doctrine. but even Jesus borrowed all his parables directly from Buddhism." Jehovah's Witnesses make it appear the quote, comes from a "Good bible believing Christian scholar", but it in fact comes from a Bible trasher. (Here is the Top Ten List of the worst of the worst of satanic quoting by Jehovah's Witnesses.) Had they told you that the quote, in the same sentence trashes not only Trinity but also the ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-jw-deceptions-hostile-witness-approach.htm

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Trinity proof texts: Mark 2:7 Jews and Christians never have the power to forgive sins in the mind of God. No man can, by personal grace, change a man's eternal destiny, apart from the mind of God. This is why they accused Jesus of blasphemy. Anti-Trinitarian rebuttals: Anti-Trinitarian rebuttal #1 The unbelieving Jews said this false statement of fact, not Jesus. The Bible also records the lie of ... But he did not correct them, but rather reinforced their view because it was correct! Only God can forgive sin! Anti-Trinitarian rebuttal #2 The apostles could forgive sins just like Christ, does that make the Apostles God? John 20:23 "If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have [already] been forgiven them; ... Two ways the apostles and ministers of Christ remit and retain sin, and both as having authority:-[1.] By sound doctrine. They are commissioned to tell the world that salvation is to be had upon gospel terms, and no other, and they shall find God will say Amen to it; so shall their doom be. [2.] By a strict ... ... https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-texts-mark2-7.htm

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Trinity: Arius and the Nicene Creed Arianism did not exist before the 4th century, but was a development of doctrine, just like Creedal Trinity Arianism, a Christian heresy first proposed early in the 4th century by the Alexandrian presbyter Arius. It affirmed that Christ is not truly divine but a created being. (Encyclopedia Britannica, 1979, Arianism, Vol. I, p.509) "Arianism: Up to this point the Trinitarian debate had taken place entirely in the West. We now move to the East, where the debate became a great controversy. It lasted sixty years, involved the entire eastern church, the western church in part, and occupied the attention of eleven emperors. The long discussion began with Arius, a presbyter in the church in Alexandria. He was a disciple of Lucian, who in turn was a student of Paul of Samosata, bishop of Antioch from 260 to 272. Paul was an Adoptionist (Dynamic Monarchian). He taught that the Logos or Reason of God dwelt in the man Jesus. This Logos had also been in Moses and in the prophets; in Jesus, ... ... https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-history-arius.htm

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Why I left the Pentecostal church Click to View Click to View Click to View Click to View "WHY I LEFT THE PENTECOSTAL CHURCH" (2 Tim 3:14) Paul could have been thinking of me when he wrote this verse to a young man named Timothy. ... I never challenged his thinking or his preaching. What he said was like a direct command from Jesus Christ himself. With this in mind .. at the age of 12 .. I was told I was being called into the ministry and preached my first sermon shortly thereafter. I spent a total of 18 years preaching as a "Pentecostal" preacher. I taught the "Jesus Only" doctrine known as the "Apostolic Faith" (United Pentecostal ... I have been accused of being "In a den of thieves and a pit of vipers", because of my stand on the Word of God and my faithfulness to the Lord's church. My wife and I have been publicly chastised ... Biblical miracles" are not evident today because they are no longer needed. Do not be misled by those who quote (Heb 13:8) .. "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and for ever" as ... ... https://www.bible.ca/t-why-I-left-pentecostalism.htm

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Muller, James Arthur: Creeds and Loyalty Click to View Click to View Decepto-Meter False Dilemma: Trinitarian Anti-Trinitarians create a false dilemma by projecting the false impression in the mind of the reader that if the "Formulated trinity doctrine" (of the Athanasius creed) is not in the Bible that Jesus is a creature and the Holy Spirit is electricity! Muller, James Arthur: Creeds and Loyalty What Anti-Trinitarians quote: "This lack of a formulated doctrine of the Trinity reflects the theological thought of the second century. In the works of Justin Martyr, who wrote in about 150 A.D., the preexistence of the Son is ... Biblical Trinitarians totally agree with this quote! The Athanasius creed is nothing more than human attempts to describe the raw Biblical date of the trinity, namely the deity of Christ and the personality of the Holy Spirit. Although they correctly define the Son and Holy Spirit as persons of God, they err in their view that the three are equal and not subordinate. Deception Exposed: The deception ... ... https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Muller.htm

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What makes an apostle The Gift of the Holy Spirit Qualifications of an Apostle of Jesus Christ I. Introduction: 1. The office of an Apostle: a. "to occupy this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside to go to his own place."" (Acts 1:25) b. "through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith among all the Gentiles for His name's sake," (Romans 1:5) 2. Definition of "Apostle": Vines, "one sent forth" a. Any one who is sent by another: Jn 13:16 b. Jesus was sent forth from God: Heb 3:1 c. The twelve & Paul were sent ... I. Uninspired writings prior to 300AD considered the apostles to have not successors. 1. Tertullian (A. D. 145-220) defined true doctrine as that which the "churches received from the apostles, the apostles from Christ, Christ from ... Quote 1 Cor 13:8-13 as scriptural proof that prophecy, tongues would cease upon the completion of the scriptural canon: i. "Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/holyspirit/Holy-Spirit-Qualifications-of-an-apostle.htm

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One verse refution of Transubstantiation The Catholic and Greek Orthodox false doctrine of "transubstantiation" teaches that the bread and juice undergo a change to become the literal body and blood of Christ. "And when Jesus had taken a cup ... Is the it the juice that is the covenant or the juice that is the blood? Is it the cup that is the covenant or is the cup the blood? In 1 Cor 11:26-28, Paul instructs us to "drink the cup" instead of ... Transubstantiation is a false doctrine because Jesus instituted Lord's Supper before his blood was shed and body broken! He spoke of His blood being shed, which was still yet future. This proves it was a symbol. The very record of historically, (Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Cyprian and Hippolytus) which the Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches love to quote as authority, ... The Bible pattern for the Lord's Supper is that the bread and juice are not combined, but are two separate steps of "Holy communion". We wonder why Roman Catholics and Orthodox doubt God will grant his ... ... https://www.bible.ca/ntx-communion-transubstantiation.htm

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The Error of the Catholic Nicene Trinity doctrine, they always focus on the Catholic trinity rather than the Biblical trinity. JW's are right! Catholic trinity is not found in the Bible, but the deity of Christ and personality of the Holy Spirit are clearly taught! Biblical Trinity Taught in the Bible Vs. Catholic Trinity Not taught in the Bible In the Bible, we see an affirmation of the deity of Christ and the personality of the Holy Spirit combined with a mono-theistic view of God, but without any explanation as to how the whole thing fits together and works. The simple affirmation of the "three-ness of God", seen at the Baptism of Jesus ... As you read the quotes below, it is essential for you to identify the "Trinity that is found in the Bible" vs. the "Trinity that is not found in the Bible"! All the Trinitarian authors below ... The Tri-unity represents the effort to think out the Trinity, and so to afford it a reasonable basis. The first Christians had with St. Paul a saving experience of the grace of the Lord Jesus ... ... https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-catholic-nicene.htm

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Catholic doctrine contradicts the Bible!!! From this time, Catholics prayed 15 sets of 10 consecutive "hail Marys" in a row (150 times), in the Rosary. However, in 2003 AD, Pope John Paul added a new set of Mysteries, so now it is 20 sets of 10 ... Buddhists have 108 prayer beads on the string. The Rosary is of pagan origin and no Christian prior to 1000 AD used beads to pray. Question #1: Did Jesus forbid repetitive prayer using Rosary Beads? ... The Pope teaches that Mary is the mediator between God and man. Catholics also engage in more praising of Mary than Jesus Christ himself and actually pray to her to have their prayers answered. Rosary Beads graphically represent how Roman Catholics heap 10 times more praise upon Mary than God himself. Of the 59 total beads of the Rosary, 53 beads are "Hail Marys", but only 6 ... Question #2: In the very next chapter of the Bible after bishops are told they must be married with children, does the Holy Spirit warn that "forbidding to marry" is a "doctrine of demons"? Answer: 1 ... ... https://www.bible.ca/cath-overview-false-teaching.htm

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Early Christians always met on the First day (Sunday) and never ... They said the reason they worshipped on the first day, was because it was a weekly memorial of the day Jesus rose from the dead! They outright state that no one prior to Moses ... This is the beginning of the current false doctrine, that Sunday is the Christian Sabbath, as taught by most churches today. While Sabbatarians will quote 20th century authors who guess about what happened 1900 years earlier, we quote Christians whose writings are 1900 years old and spoke what they saw! The record of history, from the Resurrection of Christ, Christians have always worshipped on the first day of the week (Sunday) and never on the Sabbath (7th day). Sunday is not a Christian Sabbath or a day of rest, or a holy day to be kept. It is the day God requires all Christians to gather together to worship and eat the Lord's ... Trypho the Jew 18, 21). 180AD ACTS OF PETER.- Paul had often contended with the Jewish teachers and had confuted them, saying 'it is Christ on whom your fathers laid hands. ... ... https://www.bible.ca/H-sunday.htm

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Catholicism's SHOCKING attitude toward the Bible! ... For example, 1 Cor. 1:2 says, "To the church of God at Corinth, to you who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be saints with all who call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ in every place--their Lord as well as ours." Eph. 1:1 says, "Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ, by the will of God, to all the saints who are at Ephesus, and to the ... "But nothing was further from the minds of the writers, and of the Apostles generally, than that these writings be gathered together and made into a book, which would be accepted as a complete statement of the doctrine of Christianity. Any one of them would have been shocked had he known that his letters would in ... What kind of rule is it that says we can make a private interpretation of a verse which says we can't make a private interpretation. Catholics are always inconsistent on this point. They quote Scripture to support their doctrine expecting us to understand and expecting us to make a private interpretation. However, ... ... https://www.bible.ca/cath-bible-attitude-towards.htm

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Trinity proof texts: John 5:18 The irrefutable argument stated: Jesus quite clearly taught that he was equal to God. This was the clear impression that Jesus listeners had of Jesus' teaching, and they wanted to stone him for it. Comments: It is important to note that Jesus breaking the sabbath was the first recorded controversy that John records in the single most important chapter in the gospel of John to prove the deity of Christ. The sabbath controversy allowed Jesus to give one of the most compete statements of his divine nature. No where does the Bible say that Jesus did not break the sabbath. Anti-Trinitarian rebuttals: Anti-Trinitarian rebuttal #1 "Another scripture offered as support for the Trinity is John 5:18. It says that the Jews ... in temple for example) It is important to note that we can consistently and powerfully argue that "situation moral ethics" is a false doctrine, while arguing that Jesus was able to break the sabbath without sin. We might call this a type of "situation ceremonial ethics". ... ... https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-texts-john5-18.htm

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Other False Doctrines that originated from inherited sin ... Some Catholics go one step further, "By a special privilege of Almighty God, our blessed mother was free throughout her life from all actual sin, both moral and venial." (A Catechism of Christian Doctrine Pg 47) If Mary didn't sin, why couldn't she have died on the cross and been our saviour? Assumption Of Mary: Assumption ... On Nov 2, 1950 Pope Pious XII declared, "Wherefore, after we have unceasingly offered our most fervent prayers to God, and have called upon the Spirit of Truth, for the glory of Almighty God who has lavished His special affection upon the Virgin Mary, for the honor of her Son, the immortal King of the ages and Victor over sin and death, for the increase of the glory of that same august Mother, and for the Joy and exultation of the entire church; by the authority of our Lord Jesus Christ, of the blessed Apostles Peter and Paul, and by our own authority , We pronounce, declare, and define it to be a divinely revealed dogma: that the Immaculate Mother of God, the ... ... https://www.bible.ca/cal-T-spawned-false.htm

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Bowman, Robert M.: Why You Should Believe In The Trinity False Dilemma: Trinitarian Give false impression that if intimate details of trinity are not in the Bible that Jesus is a creature. Bowman, Robert M.: Why You Should Believe In The Trinity What Anti-Trinitarians quote: "The New Testament does not contain a formalized explanation of the trinity that uses such words as trinity, three persons, one substance, and the like." (Why You Should Believe In The Trinity, 1989, Robert M. Bowman Jr.) What they fail to tell the same book also says: That Bowman plainly says that the scriptures teach the deity of Christ and the personality of the Holy Spirit. That Bowman is contrasting the undeveloped trinitarian beliefs of the apostles, (who believed in the deity of Christ but had not yet come to grips with the impact on the oneness of God issue) with the developed creedal explanations in Nicea 300 years later. Our comment Just because the Bible fails to "fully develop" trinity doctrine to the same extent as the Nicene fathers, doesn't mean that ... ... https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Bowman.htm

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Debate with Catholic on Sola Scriptura (Riggs Vs Lopez) ... Thus, since Paul and the other inspired men are no longer with us, their writings become the only authority by which we receive their revelation. Furthermore, Paul said, "If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments ... The Holy Scriptures completely furnish us unto every good work. 2 Tim. 3:15-17 says, "And that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man ... In view of the above passages, one can easily see why the Catholic Church seeks to destroy the Bible as the only source of authority. 16) My opponent when referring to the apostles added the phrase, "and their successors." (Above quote, Par. 8). He said in Par. 5, "The sons are true successors." We ... ... https://www.bible.ca/cath-debate-riggs-lopez.htm

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Can A Christian Sin And Be Lost? At its other extreme, this doctrine is expressed as, "No matter how grievous, the sins of Christians will not be held against them in the final judgement". Those who hold this last view believe that ... The most clear treatment of this subject in the New Testament is found in the second chapter of II Peter. Study this entire chapter carefully. I quote now verses 20 and 21, which best summarize its teachings, "For if after they have escaped the pollution of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the ... All verses of the Bible agree with all other verses when the subject is the same, and when the rule, or law of God, is the same. Also, when the rule, or law, is consistent, clear verses serve to explain ... Study Hebrews 6:18, and I Corinthians 14:33. To illustrate this, we can study verses about baptism (for instance) in the New Testament books written by the apostles John, Paul, and James, and expect ... ... https://www.bible.ca/g-eternal-security.htm

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Durant, Will: The Story of Civilization Trashes whole of Christianity and actually accuses the apostles of borrowing their doctrine from Paganism! Durant, Will: The Story of Civilization Click to View Click ... What else did they fail to quote from this source? Christianity did not destroy paganism; it adopted it ... From Egypt came the ideas of a divine trinity, the Last Judgment, and ... reward and punishment (The Story of Civilization, Caesar and Christ, Will Durant, Part III, 1944, p. 595) from Syria the resurrection drama of Adonis; from Thrace, perhaps, the cult of Dionysus, the dying and saving god. From Persia came millennarianism, the "ages of the world," the "final conflagration," the ... municipal or rustic gods... these mystic ideas left their mark on the apostles Paul and John (Will Durant, The Story of Civilization, The Age Of Faith, ch 1, p 9) ... Faith, ch 1, page 16) "Christianity was the last great creation of the ancient pagan world." (The Story of Civilization, Caesar and Christ, Will Durant, Part III, ... ... https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Durant.htm

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The $200 Text: A Written Debate Concerning the Sabbath ... These were a part of the handwriting of ordinances and were abolished at the cross. However the WEEKLY sabbath was not a shadow of things to come. It is a memorial of an event in the PAST -- the creation of this world, as shown above with proof. Hence even though I can quote 2 Col. 2:14-6 by memory, still I am looking for a text that states where and by whom the weekly sabbath was abolished. Even though the time limit in the ... It is also used of a part of it, especially when that part is to be quoted in a later passage. The Old Testament, which Timothy was taught as a child is able to make him wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus, says Paul. Now let us read the verse which follows, "ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration of God, and is PROFITABLE for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness." 2 Tim. 3:16. What could the apostle mean here when he tells us that ALL scripture is profitable? Could we by any twist of the imagination ... ... https://www.bible.ca/sabbath-debate-frost-smith.htm

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Trinity: plural references to God in the Old Testament: Plural ... As we will see, all of the Anti-Trinitarian arguments are invalid leaving us with no other conclusion then the fact that God is a plurality of persons, just as the Biblical trinity teaches. The trinity was hidden in the Old Testament until Christ came and the earliest Christians began to "search the (Old Testament) scriptures daily" (Acts 17:11) to see if Paul's claim that Jesus of Nazareth, was the direct subject of prophecy. We have no doubt that Paul would point out the six passages where God is refereed to with plural pronouns. (Us, Our) God's oneness is conveyed by personal pronouns like He, Him, His, I, Myself, Me. The trinity is witnessed in the Old Testament by personal pronouns like Us, Ours. C. The ... Therefore Jesus cannot be an angel, but we begotten at his resurrection as Acts 13:33 says, thereby fulfilling Ps 2:7. The self contradictory doctrine of the Watchtower has Jesus the creature, functioning as our co-creator (Jn 1:3; Col 1:16). But this violates Rom 1:25: ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-oneness-unity-plural-nouns-pronouns-verbs-adverbs.htm

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Earnest Haenchen: 1984 English translation of Haenchen's commentary ... Click to View Decepto-Meter Satanic quote: trinitarian The Watchtower commits every offence with Haenchen's work. They selectively quote to make Haenchen appear to say something opposite to what he is actually saying. They overlook the fact that Haenchen comes right out and says Jesus is not a creature. They again confuse modalism with trinitarian theology. They redefine Haenchen's words like "divine" in a way that Haenchen himself would object ... "John 1:1, however, tells of something that was sin existence already in time primeval; astonishingly, it is not 'God'. The hymn thus does not begin with God and his creation, but the existence of the Logos in the beginning." (Ernst ... It was quite possible in Jewish and Christian monotheism to speak of divine beings that existed alongside and under God but were not identical with him. Phil 2:6-10 proves that. In that passage Paul depicts just such a divine being, who later became man in Jesus Christ. . . . Thus, in both Philippians and ... ... https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Haenchen.htm

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Trinity: "Plural of Majesty", "pluralis majestaticus", "singular ... As we will see, all of the Anti-Trinitarian arguments are invalid leaving us with no other conclusion then the fact that God is a plurality of persons, just as the Biblical trinity teaches. It is clear that these plural references to God in the Old Testament we hidden until fully revealed by Christ and his apostles with the proclamation of the deity of Jesus. Jews could look back and see Jesus there in Genesis! B. Understanding the various terms used in this discussion: Plural of Majesty comes from the Latin, "pluralis majestaticus" and ... For even if I boast somewhat further about our authority, which the Lord gave for building you up and not for destroying you, I will not be put to shame" 2 Corinthians 10:7-8 The use of WE and OUR refer to Paul and Timothy, ... but make Jesus the created arch-angel Michael. But Heb 1:5 proves Jesus cannot be, nor ever has been an angel. Further, in their self contradictory doctrine, they have Jesus the creature, as our co-creator (Jn 1:3; Col 1:16). ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-oneness-unity-plural-of-majesty-pluralis-majestaticus-royal-we.htm

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The Apostolic Fathers believed man-made creeds were tradition ... None of the thoughts and phrases came from "extra-biblical oral tradition". A. "creed like" statements of Faith in the Bible: Below are three inspired "creed like" statements like Paul. They are not creeds, and never have been used as creed, ... Irenaeus 180 AD Tertullian 200 AD "believing in one God, the Creator of heaven and earth, and all things therein, by means of Christ Jesus, the Son of God; who, because of His surpassing love towards His creation, condescended to be born of the virgin, He Himself ... The oral tradition that is identified in the text is in fact a creed (in blue) that is identical to the scriptures. Had this oral tradition contained a key doctrine not found in scripture, then the Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches would ... Against Heresies, book 3, 4, 1-2) The Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches love to quote (Tertullian, the Prescription Against Heretics, Chapter XIII) as proof that Tertullian had an oral apostolic tradition that was distinct from scripture. ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/sola-scriptura-tradition-5-types-4-creeds.htm

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False Doctrine of Modalism: As taught by the United Pentecostal ... ... UPC. So Modalists make a clear distinction between Father and Son, just like Trinitarians and Arians do. They have created a doctrine with false distinctions within the being of Jesus. (two spirits in one body) The Son was sent from God as ... Although Jesus is both Father and Son, we cannot say the Father is the Son." UPC To Modalists, Father always refers to God, in the mode of Father Jesus Christ "Jesus is both Father (divine) and Son (Human)" UPC "one can speak of the pre-existent Christ since the Spirit of ... Cyprian and others claimed these Modalists were Patripassians); Sabellius denied that he was a Patripassian. (Schaff admits that the Patripassians did not mean a real suffering but only a sympathy. Would any Trinitarian claim that God the ... Modalists really never give an answer. But interesting Jesus does in the next verse of Jn 17 that they fail to quote: "I in them, and Thou in Me, that they may be perfected in unity" v23. Bad news for Modalists! Jesus verified that the ... ... https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-modalism.htm

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Reade, Winwood, The Martyrdom of Man Satanic Quote: Christianity Trasher Trashes whole of Core Christianity Reade, Winwood, The Martyrdom of Man Note to Muslims: Not even Reade questions the historical fact of Jesus Christ dying on a cross, just like the Bible says! What Anti-Trinitarians quote: (notice the same quote is used by anti-Trinitarians and Muslims) "Christianity had conquered paganism, and paganism had corrupted Christianity. (Winwood Reade, Philosopher and historian, The Martyrdom of Man, p 183-84, quoted by anti-Trinitarians) "This leaves no doubt at all in our minds regarding the sources of all Christian doctrine: ... The man who had said "Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God' had now himself been made a god or the third part of one." (Winwood Reade, Philosopher and historian, The Martyrdom of Man, p 183-184) Deception Exposed: Reade is a Bible hater and a skeptic of Christianity! For Bible believing anti-Trinitarians to quote Reade that trinity is pagan is utterly deceptive ... ... https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Reade.htm

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Sola Scriptura and the Apostolic Fathers: 200 AD: Tertullian Mandatory: Apostolic Fathers Catechism Class for Catholics and Orthodox. 200 AD: Tertullian: "From this, therefore, do we draw up our rule. Since the Lord Jesus Christ sent the apostles to preach, (our rule is) that no others ought to be ... as undoubtedly containing that which the (said) churches received from the apostles, the apostles from Christ, Christ from God. Whereas all doctrine must be prejudged as false which savours of contrariety to the truth of the churches and apostles of Christ and God. ... Obviously Tertullian believed that the scripture was understandable, by merely reading it. Paul stated as much in Eph 3:3-5, "When you read you can have my same level of understanding of the mystery of Christ." "We have, however, challenged ... So this very passage by Tertullian that Roman Catholic and Orthodox anti-sola Scriptura advocates quote to disprove sola Scriptura, in fact refutes them! This passage also clearly shows the category of "tradition" that all the "Apostolic ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/sola-scriptura-apostolic-fathers-tertullian.htm

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The Supernatural elements of Christian faith Click to View Early Christians view on the TRINITY God, the Son Click to View The Deity of Christ Click to View Is Jesus an actual or mythical Historical person? Click to View Was Christ Actually Raised From The Dead? Click to View Jesus does not have a human, flesh and bone body now? God, the Holy Spirit Click to View The Personality & Deity of the Holy Spirit Angels Click to View ... Rich man and Lazarus: Luke 16 Why would Jesus use pagan false doctrine? Rich man and Lazarus: Luke 16 The suggestion that Jesus used Jewish Fable and Pagan false doctrine in Luke 16 is inconceivable! Arians, who believe Jesus sided with the Sadducean view of extinction, simply cannot explain Luke 16. They are forced into falsely accusing Jesus of promoting what He knew was pagan false doctrine! The only reasonable conclusion, is that conscious life after death IS NOT pagan false doctrine, but the very truth Jesus chose to convey by simply reading Luke 16! Paul condemned using Jewish myths and ... ... https://www.bible.ca/indexsuper.htm

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Anglo/British-Israelism: A DETAILED REFUTATION Anglo-Israelism British-Israelism Pre-millennialism As popularized by many including Herbert W. Armstrong of the World Wide Church of God WCG Utterly Refuted! Pictured above is the old coronation chair ... It is a doctrine that originated in England, largely surrounding the British people. The doctrine asserts that the Anglo-Saxon peoples are the ten tribes the true Israel. And it is Israel, not the Jews, who will be restored in the millennium. This restored Israel, the Anglo Saxon people, with Jesus Christ seated on the reestablished earthly throne of David as king, will rule the whole ... But John preached "repentance to all people of Israel" Acts 13:24. 2. Nicodemus was "a ruler of the Jews"-John 3:1. But Nicodemus was "a master of Israel" John 3:10. 3. Paul the apostle was "a Jew of ... V. THE BIBLICAL ARGUMENT The Anglo-Israel plan, like all other systems of prophetic vagaries, is to indiscriminately quote Old Testament prophecies and assert their application to the particular theory ... ... https://www.bible.ca/pre-british-israelism-foy-wallace.htm

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Wells, H.G.: Short History of the World Click to View Click to View Decepto-Meter Satanic Quote: Christianity Trasher It is dishonest is it to quote from Wells that trinity is pagan, when the same author trashes Jesus as our saviour. Wells, H.G.: Short History of the World What Anti-Trinitarians quote: "There is no evidence the Apostles of Jesus ever heard of a trinity" [H. G. Wells, Outline of History, 1920 ... of honest conviction which comes to those who have a real knowledge of God; it was a bawling down of dissentions that, left to work themselves out, would have spoiled good business. ... A large majority of those who possess and repeat the Christian creeds have come into the practice so insensibly from unthinking childhood that only in the slightest way do they realise the nature of the statements to which they subscribe. They will speak and think of both Christ and God in ways flatly incompatible with the doctrine of the Triune deity upon which, theoretically, the entire fabric of all the churches rests. ... ... ... https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Wells.htm

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Trinity proof texts: Micah 5:2-3 the only logical conclusion is that Jesus was at the very least of supernatural origin, like Jehovah, for only Jehovah has an eternal origins! The Messiah therefore traced his lineage, not from David, but from all past eternity, being like God himself, has always existed and timeless! No Jew would every apply this language to a created angel! Comments: The text is so clear that anti-Trinitarians have only one argument based upon the definition of the word translated, "goings forth", [4163 mowtsa'ah] and it is a very weak argument! Anti-Trinitarian rebuttals: The only Anti-Trinitarian ... His going forth [4161 mowtsa'] is as certain as the dawn." Of course, we know God is not a creature, but then neither is Jesus Christ according to Micah 5:2! But the use of the plural "goings forth" ... Christadelphians reject the doctrine of incarnation. They are delighted that the word [3318 yatsa'] is used in Micah 5:2 to denote his conception. "From you One will go forth [3318 yatsa'] for Me to ... ... https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-texts-micah5-2.htm

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Rich man and Lazarus in Hades: Luke 16:19-31: Neo-Sadduceeian ... ... The use of symbolism doesn't mean there is nothing real and literal beneath the word picture! The fact that God is described in anthropomorphisms is powerful evidence that other aspects of the spirit world like Hades in Luke 16 is also ... Arians like Jehovah Witnesses call Luke 16 a parable, but in reality they actually they view it as a fable. But why would Jesus use "Jewish fables" and "Pagan false doctrine" in the core of His teaching? Such is condemned in: (examples for use of "fable" in Greek): Tit. 1:14; 1 ... A myth claims to be the truth itself, not a vehicle for truth like parables do. Myths confuse fantasy and reality. Modernists view the creation story, miracles and the resurrection of Christ as mythical fantasy stories. Arians accuse ... The only reasonable conclusion, is that conscious life after death IS NOT pagan false doctrine, but the very truth Jesus chose to convey by simply reading Luke 16! Paul condemned using Jewish myths and fables in 1 Tim. 1:4; 4:7; 2 Tim. ... ... https://www.bible.ca/su-hades-luke16.htm

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Conscious life after death proven from the Bible ... The Apostle Peter spoke of himself as dwelling for awhile in his earthly tabernacle until the time came for him to lay aside his body and depart (2 Peter 1:13-15). With both Peter and Paul there is no indication that they equated their self or soul with their body. Their "I-ness" ... And after my skin, even this body, is destroyed Then without my flesh shall I see God (ASV) Phil 1:22 To abide in flesh To die and be with Christ much better 2 Cor 5:6-8 To be home in body, absent Lord To be absent from body and with Lord 2 Cor 12:3 Whether in body or out of body ... Why would Jesus use from Pagan false doctrine in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus? (Luke 16:19-31) I can't answer. You are obviously right. Help me out of my false religion! I know why Jesus used pagan false doctrine in this parable, here is my answer to your irrefutable question! 4 Bible scenes of actual life after death: Isa 14:9-11 "God said to the King of Babylon: "Sheol from beneath is excited over you to meet you ... ... https://www.bible.ca/su-conscious-life-after-death.htm

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The Samaritans: 720 BC The pagan half-Jews of the Old Testament ... This has caused the Jews to hold the Samaritans with contempt to this day. The Samaritans and the Jews are historic enemies. 2. The Samaritans were a pagan sect that grew out of the tribes of Manasseh and Ephraim after their deportation in ... God at Jerusalem. His famous quote: "It is too far for you to go up to Jerusalem... worship at Bethel or Dan" says it all. h. The "Samaritans" intermarried with the pagans, a point of contention between them and the pure blooded Jews, that continued down to the woman at the well of John 4. i. The Samaritans, therefore represented all the worst of the Jews in that they opposed God's choice of David, Jerusalem and polluted their bloodlines which forever disqualified them from producing the Messiah, Jesus Christ... in a more academic way, they should "reconsider their extemporizations", especially since pre-tribulation rapture doctrine was invented by John Darby in 1830 AD. 27. 458 BC: Ezra was the resident expert on the Law of Moses with his brand ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/archeology/bible-archeology-samaritans.htm

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Death of the Anti-Black Doctrine, Salt Lake City Messenger, December ... ... "'The church has no intention of changing its doctrine on the Negro,' N. Eldon Tanner, counselor to the First President told SEATTLE during his recent visit here. 'Throughout the history of the original Christian church, the Negro never held the priesthood. There's really nothing we can do to change this. It's a law of God.'" (Seattle Magazine, December 1967, p. 60) The Mormon apologist John L. Lund wrote the following: "Brigham Young revealed that the Negroes will not receive the Priesthood until a great while after the second advent of Jesus Christ,.. our present prophets are ... The papyrus was in reality a copy of the Egyptian Book of Breathings, a pagan text that had absolutely nothing to do with Abraham or his religion. Since the Book of Abraham was the real source of the ... When Stewart Udall, a noted Mormon, came out against the Church's anti-black doctrine, Paul C. Richards responded: "The Church is either true or it isn't. If it changes its stand on the strength of the ... ... https://www.bible.ca/mor-blacks-racism.htm

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Trinity proof texts: Genesis 19:24 ... And again [he confessed a second time our Lord Jesus by saying], "And God said, Let Us make man after our image: and so God made man, after the image of God made He him."" (The Epistle of Ignatius to the Antiochians, Chapter II.-The True Doctrine Respecting God and Christ.) 253 AD Cyprian "In the Gospel according to John: "The Father judgeth nothing, but hath given all judgment unto the Son, that all may honour the Son as they honour the Father. He who honoureth not the Son, honoureth not the Father who hath sent Him." Also in the seventy-first Psalm: "O God, give the king Thy judgment, and Thy ... I shall speak with him in a dream. "Not so, with My servant Moses, He is faithful in all My household; With him I speak mouth to mouth, Even openly, and not in dark sayings, And he [Moses] beholds the form of Yahweh. Why then were you not afraid To speak against My servant, against Moses?"" To utterly silence all Jehovah's Witnesses on this point, merely quote 1 Timothy 6:16, "who alone ... ... https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-texts-genesis19-24.htm

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Hertz, Dr. J. H.: The Pentateuch and Haftorahs We could quote a pile of Rabbi's who are honest enough to admit that Ex 3 should be rendered "I am who I am"... "I am" Deception Exposed: For Arians (JW's, Christadelphians) to appeal to Jewish Rabbis to support their false doctrine is nothing short of ... the Trinitarian view of God and the Arian (JW's) view of God. Jewish Rabbis, when they hear JW's call Jesus God and divine, would label them as POLYTHEISTS! The Governing Body really blundered when they chose this route! We dare JW's to explain their view of God to this Jewish Rabbi and ask if he would call it polytheism! The fact remains that the title theos, is clearly applied to Christ proving that Jehovah's Witnesses make a deceptive argument as Lohse states: "Speaking first of the person of Jesus Christ ... In other passages of the New Testament the predicate "God" is without a doubt applied to Christ.' With these affirmations, which for Jewish monotheism were utterly offensive." (A Short History of Christian Doctrine, ... ... https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Hertz.htm

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"Cast Out For The Cross Of Christ" by Albion F. Ballenger, 1909 ... Ellen White's condemnation of Ballenger and his views have provided the basis for condemning anyone who raises questions about the Adventist doctrine of the sanctuary. Click to View CAST OUT FOR THE CROSS OF CHRIST by Albion F. Ballenger, ... E. G. White (Test. 33, pp.234-236), as presenting the writer's convictions on this important subject. "Peter exhorts his brethren to 'grow in grace and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.' When the people of God are growing in grace they will be ... Acts 2:34,35. The Apostle Paul repeatedly refers to this exaltation of Christ to the right hand of the throne of God. Some of those references follow: "When he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the majesty on ... The work which began in 1844 is the work which the Scriptures of truth say should begin at the end of 2,300 days, viz: the cleansing of the sanctuary. If I should quote the text thus, would I quote it correctly? "Unto 2,300 days then shall ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/7-1909-ballenger-cast-out-for-the-cross.htm

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Messianic Bible Prophecy Fulfilled: Isaiah 53 The Suffering Servant ... ... First Suffering servant song: Israel, Isaiah, Christ, Christians, Paul: Isa 42:1-9 (Messianic echo: Acts 26:15-18 echoes Isaiah 42:6-8: calls to service) ii. Second suffering servant song: Isaiah, Israel, Christ, Christians: Isa 49:1-13. Called from the womb: Isaiah himself | Israel: Gen 25:23-25 | Christ: Isa 7:14; Mt 1:23 |Christians: Isa 62:2; Eph 1:3. iii. Third suffering servant song: Isa 50:4-11 iv. Fourth suffering servant song: Isaiah 52:13-53:12 (Christ's ministry and crucifixion) b. Suffering in the New Testament: i. Jesus, as creator God, became a servant: Jn 13; Phil 2:6-10 ii. ... John 1:1-5 echoes Isaiah 44:24 (only creator) h. King of Babylon echoes Jehovah: Isa 47:8-10; 46:9 (quote) i. John 4:25-26 echoes Isaiah 52:6 (quoted by Jesus) j. John 8:58 echoes Isaiah 40-55; Ex ... They worship me in vain, teaching as doctrine the commandments of men.'" (Mark 7:6-7) "And the Lord said, "This people approaches me with their mouth, and with their lips they honor me, but their ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/prophecy/Isaiah53-five-fold-prophecy-fulfillment-suffering-servant-Isaiah-sawed-two-Jesus-Paul-Christians-prophets.htm

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"The Sensational speech of Bishop Joseph Georg Strossmayer in ... Scene 2: Study Of Old And New Testaments "Penetrated with the feeling of responsibility, of which God will demand of me an account, I have set myself to study with the most serious attention the Old ... Paul, St. Peter, St. James, and St. John - doctors to whom no one can deny the divine authority without putting in doubt that which the holy Bible, which is here before me, teaches us, and which the ... And still more, to my very great surprise, I find in the apostolic days no question of a pope, successor to St. Peter, and vicar of Jesus Christ, any more than of Mahomet who did not then exist. You, ... He would have written a long letter on this all-important subject. Then, as he has actually done, when the edifice of the Christian doctrine is erected, would the foundation, the key of the arch, be ... "Well, venerable brethren, here history raises its voice to assure us that some popes have erred. You may protest against it or deny it, as you please, but I will prove it. Pope Victor (192) first ... ... https://www.bible.ca/cath-joseph-georg-strossmayer.htm

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Abbott, Lyman: Dictionary of Religious Knowledge quote from booklet, Should you believe the Trinity?) "It is certain, however, that from the apostolic times they paid worship to Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, addressed to them their prayers, and included them in their doxologies." ... "Precisely what the doctrine is, or precisely how it is to be explained, Trinitarians are not agreed among themselves." ... "It is not possible for the human intellect to comprehend fully the divine nature. The Bible represents God to us as Father, Son, and Holy ... What else did they fail to tell about Abbott's religious views? But when I came to study the teachings of Jesus with my fellow students in this Congregational Bible ... changed Christianity." ... "Christian thought could not affect pagan thought without being in turn affected" ("What Christianity Means to me, A spiritual autobiography by Lyman Abbott, about himself, 1922, p26,27) My realization of the fact that Jesus Christ does not promise remission of penalty but does promise remission of ... ... https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Abbott.htm

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Creeds: The ancient "rule of faith" (regula fidei) was not a ... The Reform tradition uses Calvin's institute as a formal creed interprets the Bible through the one work of this single man. Most members of the churches of Christ, have never even heard about Alexander Campbell, much less ever quote him as ... the ancient tradition, believing in one God, the Creator of heaven and earth, and all things therein, by means of Christ Jesus, the Son of God; who, because of His surpassing love towards His creation, condescended to be born of the virgin, He Himself uniting man ... Those who, in the absence of written documents, have believed this faith, are barbarians, so far as regards our language; but as regards doctrine, manner, and tenor of life, they are, because of faith, very wise indeed; and they do please God, ... Even in the Lord's true church today, any member at random, if asked from the pulpit, could give a similar "one paragraph summary" of the true faith. Even the apostle Paul gives a similar type of "one paragraph summary" of doctrine in 1 Cor ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/sola-scriptura-creeds-rule-of-faith-regula-fidei.htm

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Demons and Demon Possession 6. Unclean spirit = demon: Mk 7:25+30; Lk 9:42; Mt 12:43-45 7. Not every spirit is from God: 1 Jn 4:1-4 D. Existence of demons appeared to be generally accepted by the Jews: Lk 4:36 E. ... H. While some teach that demons were exclusive to the first century, demons in fact were active from Moses to Christ: Deut 32:17; Lev 17:7; Ps 106:37 II. Different Views Of The Origin Of ... Demons are held to be symbolic of the presence of evil. The casting out of these mythical characters by Jesus represents His conquest over evil by His doctrine and life. 2. This theory stands or falls with the mythological school of ... MPD also cannot explain why all with MPD had the same second personality (playing the person of the demon). Disease does not transfer to 2000 pigs. Why would Jesus reinforce a pagan concept ... met us, who was bringing her masters much profit by fortunetelling. 17 Following after Paul and us, she kept crying out, saying, "These men are bond-servants of the Most High God, who ... ... https://www.bible.ca/su-demons.htm

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Why Pentecostals say, "knoweldge is of the Devil" (anti-intellectualis ... Click to View You don't learn Pentecostalism, you experience it Click to View "these are ignorant and unlearned men" Pentecostals often quote the religious Jewish leaders statement in ... of God. (The People Called the Shakers, Edward Deming Andrews, p 98) Branham, William Click to View often denounced what he called the "ecclesiastics" who rightly came against his false teachings Copeland, Kenneth Click to View Believers are not to be led by logic, he writes. We are not even to be led by good sense (The Force of Faith, 7) I don't preach doctrine, I preach faith. (Following the Faith of Abraham I, side 2) Crouch, Paul ... He used theological Understanding to water down the fire." ... "Most theologians don't fasten their eyes on Jesus. They fasten their eyes on the Greek and the Hebrew. There's nothing ... He said that while he and evangelist Steve Hill do preach sermons that are simple and easy to understand, the signs and miracles are what actually turn people to Christ, not the Word ... ... https://www.bible.ca/tongues-anti-intellectualism.htm

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Is the RC church infallible and unable to make errors? ... Jesus has all authority in heaven and on earth (Matt. 28:18), and He is head over all things of the church (Eph. 1:22); therefore, He alone has the right to ordain what pleases Him in His church. ... They will forbid marriage, and will enjoin abstinence from foods, which God has created to be partaken of with thanksgiving by the faithful and by those who know the truth." (1 Tim. 4:1-3). In the ... Furthermore, all know that the Catholic Church has at times, and still does, e.g., the Lenten fast, enjoined abstinence from foods. The Catholic writer in our initial quote said, "Christ sent forth his church ... Peter said (2 Pet. 2) that false teachers would arise among you (working from within) and there would be many who would follow them. Paul tell us (2 Thess. 2) that the apostasy was already ... It produces only after its kind--that which is identical to the primitive church. If a person is something religiously about which nothing is said in the New Testament, some doctrine has been ... ... https://www.bible.ca/cath-church-infallible.htm

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Modalism refuted: UPCI's Sixty Questions On The Godhead refuted ... Refuted: "Sixty Questions On The Godhead" (UPCI) Modalism Refuted! Anti-Trinitarian! United Pentecostal Church's: "Sixty Questions On The Godhead" Refuted! Click to View See modalism as taught by ... Unless you think that Jesus was praying for His apostles to become one being, we acknowledge that "these three are one" does not mean they were/are a single being. UPC Question #6. "Does the ... Yahweh (Jehovah, LORD) is the singular name of a plurality eloheem (God). The biblical doctrine of one God refers either to the one plurality eloheem or to the singular Yahweh which is the name of the one plurality ... UPC Question #8. "Has the Christian only one Heavenly Father? Yes, Matthew 23:9" The Christian also has only one teacher "the Christ" (Mt. 23:10). "One" (v. 9) and "one" (v. 10) is two in every ... Colossians 3:1 It may be that John looked neither to the right nor to the left because Paul writes "...Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God." Acts 7:56 How many did Stephen see? John is ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-modalism-UPC-60-questions-godhead.htm

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7-seventh-day-adventist-false-tim-sly ... where scholars' voices went unheard and administrators took over and proclaimed to the church that they would follow Ellen White and traditional doctrine. Reports I've read say that most of the members didn't even read Ford's manuscript. ... After the tragedy of September 11 we had a relative over who was "singing the praises" so to speak of Ellen White and how she had predicted this tragedy in New York. This got me interested in looking into it further. I found this quote on ... Strict Catholics believe it is the one true church and that their system is the way to God. There is no system that leads us to God, it is only through Christ. "Jesus answered, 'I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.'" (John ... Even if you take the conservative numbers they say that 20% of the book The Great Controversy was copied, 12% of Sketches From the Life of Paul, 6% of Steps to Christ and so on.12 If I copied every 5th sentence of this essay without giving ... ... ...https://www.bible.ca/7-seventh-day-adventist-false-tim-sly.htm

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Frend, W.H.C.: The Rise of Christianity Click to View Click to View Decepto-Meter Deceptive quote: Trinitarian Gives false impression that the majority who opposed the Nicene creed believed Jesus is a creature and portray Constantine as practically the author of the Nicene Creed. Frend, W.H.C.: The Rise of Christianity How the ... Its use, however, by the Sabellian bishops of Libya had been condemned by Dionysius of Alexandria in the 260s, and, in a different sense, its use by Paul of Samosata bad been condemned by the Council of Antioch in 268. It was thus ... The "majority who disliked" firmly believed that Jesus was God, they didn't like the Greek terms used to describe Jesus deity, not that they rejected the deity itself! Full Text: Though the exact course of events is uncertain, it ... Unfortunately, there were many statements defining the nature of the Son with which Arius could agree. He could accept that Christ "was before all ages" (i.e., a purely temporal concept) and even that he was God from God or the ... ... https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Frend.htm

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